**i do no condone street racing in anyway and it was when no one was around on a backroad, actually right in front of my house if you want the truth.it was just a friendly race and not a race through the town at 12 noon.


Well yesterday day evening i went to pick up supper in the mustang and as i was coming back i looked behind me and there was my uncle in my aunts 200- sometihng bmw 325i. i slow down to aorund 20 and he goes to pass me but gets even. He gets the jump because he just floored it so i drop it into 2nd and floor it like the mustang was laughing at it the whole time i had 3-4 car lengths before we slowed down. BTW we cut off at 65.

at 20 mph, should i had dropped it into 1st or left it in 2nd?

 

at 20mph i prob would have gone into 2nd as well even though yoiu could have done 1st it might be a waste of time since you would have had to upshift again so soon.

nice kill

 

2nd all the way. And when rolling, a slight jump for a car to get into its rpms is actually a very large advantage, especially if its an auto that got its chance to downshift and build revs. So you were probably even faster then the few car lengths suggested. Even a much slower car can seem like a pain to catch for a few seconds when they get a decent jump, even if they haven't passed you yet.

 

The 325i is at the bottom end of the BMW 3-series lineup, what with a 2.5-2.8 ltr six with around 180-200hp or so (depending on model years). In other words, pretty much shooting fish in a barrel with your 300hp GT, so I wouldn't get too cocky about showing auntie's Bimmer your taillights in a roll on. Try the same with an M3 or the 335i and the outcome could be very different, never mind throwing in something more challenging (how about a run through the twisties) than mashing your Florshiem into the gas pedal.

 

A kill's a kill.

 

260....for now

 

He's driving an '03 GT..... not an S197

 

335I is no match for the s197....can beat it by about 4-5 car lanks (at the track)... but the m3 may be a different story

 

335i is just as fast as the E46 M3.

 

i said 325i lol i havent seen many 335's or M3's that wanted to play

 

yeah i was just responding to what mustang kid said about the 335i being no match for a S197

 

335i doesn't have a LSD....but it has a nice flat tq curve...

 

oh

 

He didnt say anything about an E46, I assumed he meant an E92 , in which case an S197 would be seein a whole lotta tailights.

 

An E46 slightly faster then a S197 so why even bother to compare with the E92.

 

Is E92 the new 414 hp, 8000 rpm V8 M3?

 

They're close, but ultimately, on everage, the E46 M3s tend to be oh-so slightly faster than a 335i and Mustang GT in a straight line. But we're talking in the range of .1-.3 seconds and perhaps 1-3 mph in the 1/4 mile, a range where production variences and, more so, driver skill could readily shift the balance.

On the other hand, the 335i (and Mustang GT) is easier to drive fast than the more challenging M3, what with their broad, torquey power bands. The auto 335i may be a touch faster than the stick shift, what with the idiosyncracies of turbo power delivery and may be pretty much a dead heat, though the ATX Stang's seem a touch slower than their stick-wiggler kin. The M3s only come with the one gearbox, whether manually controlled or robot controlled (SMG) and are about equal in speed.

The M3s do make a bit more peak (ultimate) power, but have to be worked harder and more skillfully to take advantage of that, not that taking the quasi-race S54 motor to 8K is any hardship to either motor or driver.

The M3 chassis is much tighter than the 335s, so outside a straight line contest, the M3 really will dominate the 335i and Mustang GT.

Of course, when talking about the E92 M3, well, fuhgetaboutit, that thing should be a screamer that'll squash the aforementioned two cars, the Stang GT and perhaps even the GT500. Throw in some curves and it should totally dominate.

Does make one wonder what the Oh-Ten Stang will do to keep competitive with its contemporaries...

 

Pretty good summary. I read Autoweek, C&D, MotorTrend and Road & Track, and in most, if not all cases, I've noticed the SMG-equipped E46 M3 is a smidgen slower than the stick...probably because it regulates how hard a shift can be.

As far as the new M3 is concerned, nice piece, but $63k base nice? Too rich for this working stiff. I rather like the 135i, with the six-pot brakes, 150 lighter curb weight than the 335i, and LSD....a used one of those is definetly in my future...ihn about 4 yrs time, when the Stang will be relegated to garage queen status.

 

Yeah, the new M3 is definitely a bit rich for this salary man too, hence my used '01 M3 in front of my house. The 135I does look very intriguing. Perhaps now the the M3's gone V8, they can stick the S54 L6 into the 1-series chassis, tone up the chassis and strip down the luxo fluff and create an M1 or M2 more along the lines of the very original M3, i.e., a bit rawer and purposeful. Use CSL tuning -- 360hp -- to put it above the 135i performance-wise and you would have, I think, a very popular hi-po model well under the E92 M3s ever steepening price.

 

jeez now this is a bimmer thread :/

anyway nice kill.