Sell 07 GT and get 03 cobra?
12/29/08 | 12:38 PM
#61
How about the best of both worlds: Terminator engine and transmission swap into an S197 GT?
The Cobra motor is a 4-valve and cant be controlled by our Spanish Oak PCM. So you would need to do a lot of custom work to make that engine work in an S197. Maybe a PCM from a GT500, new wiring harnesses etc.
This makes it an unreasonable swap. You could easily put forged rods ina 3-valve and make the same power as doing this 4-valve swap.
12/29/08 | 03:17 PM
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I was in a similar situation about a year or so ago. My friend offered to sell me his lightly modded, loaded 06' GT for my low mile lightly modded 03' Cobra. I pondered this for a while and kept my car and never regretted it. Here are my points.
here is my point of view (not to many guys sticking up for the 03' so i'm giving my open opinion without ******* the new car)
1. The Cobra will always be rarer (retain it's value) and stick out more than the run of the mill 05-09 GT. Though you guys may use styling as your main sticking point an 03 Cobra is far more unique than its lesser 4th gen siblings compared to the widely popular 5th gen GT.
2. The power and mod capability can't be touched by anything short of a far more expensive GT500.
3. I guess i'm a history buff and this car will be a historic pony forever, I love the new cars but they are so common these days. I think the Termie has more wow factor
4. I have been in and driven new Mustangs I don't see the interior quality being any better than the 4th gen car. I agree the styling and design is better but it still has the same crappy cheap plastics. I prefer my Cobra seats over the 05-09 GT seats as far as comfort and looks go.... I love the thick bolstering and suede inserts.
5. I'm in the process of compleatly modding my IRS. This is a huge handling, ride advantage that the new GT can't have.
6. underrated 390HP stock, IRS, 6 speed
7. I am a big guy, 6'1 220lbs and I have no problem fitting in either one of my 4th gens. Sure the back seat is cramped but so is the 5th gen.
I guess you should decide between looks, modernity and power, rarity. I prefer the Cobra for my reasons but I also see the current GT as a fine car and i'm looking to pick one up in the future good luck with your decision but i'd say join the Cobra club and kick the tail of all these 05-09GTs!
here is my point of view (not to many guys sticking up for the 03' so i'm giving my open opinion without ******* the new car)
1. The Cobra will always be rarer (retain it's value) and stick out more than the run of the mill 05-09 GT. Though you guys may use styling as your main sticking point an 03 Cobra is far more unique than its lesser 4th gen siblings compared to the widely popular 5th gen GT.
2. The power and mod capability can't be touched by anything short of a far more expensive GT500.
3. I guess i'm a history buff and this car will be a historic pony forever, I love the new cars but they are so common these days. I think the Termie has more wow factor
4. I have been in and driven new Mustangs I don't see the interior quality being any better than the 4th gen car. I agree the styling and design is better but it still has the same crappy cheap plastics. I prefer my Cobra seats over the 05-09 GT seats as far as comfort and looks go.... I love the thick bolstering and suede inserts.
5. I'm in the process of compleatly modding my IRS. This is a huge handling, ride advantage that the new GT can't have.
6. underrated 390HP stock, IRS, 6 speed
7. I am a big guy, 6'1 220lbs and I have no problem fitting in either one of my 4th gens. Sure the back seat is cramped but so is the 5th gen.
I guess you should decide between looks, modernity and power, rarity. I prefer the Cobra for my reasons but I also see the current GT as a fine car and i'm looking to pick one up in the future good luck with your decision but i'd say join the Cobra club and kick the tail of all these 05-09GTs!
12/29/08 | 04:17 PM
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12/30/08 | 08:48 AM
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+1 get the cobra. the GT's in 40 year will be worth alot but that terminator will be worth a helluva lot more and heck they are just straight up bad cars 6 speed IRS 390 hp or more. its a cobra...man..A COBRA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lQX3...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lQX3...eature=related
12/30/08 | 08:58 AM
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Ford already made that, the 2007-2008-2009 GT500.
The extra 80 pounds of the cast iron block isn't the big deal everyone attempts to make it out to be, it cost about 12 HP to make that up, the extra cubic inches and under-tuned 100+ more horsepower are undeniable.
The 03-04 Cobra 4-valve forged internals 4.6 was the best engine Ford built since 1971 (71 429 SCJ, Boss 351) period. It is outstanding! But it has already been surpassed and the 3 year wait was much less than the 32 years it took to get the 03 Cobra .
Bone stock the 5.4 makes more power and easily handles 800+ RWHP with no internal modifications.
The 4.6 4-valve 03-04 cobra engine doesn't have anything on a forged internals 3-valve 4.6.
The 2005 Mustang chassis advancements and torsional rigidity alone are worth keeping the 2007, forget about the kickass styling improvements.
The 1979-2004 Fox platform was 25 years old and borrowed from the not-very-cool Ford Fairmont, the 2005 Mustang improves torsional rigidity. Torsional rigidity is up 35 percent over the 2004, and the structure is also 39 percent stiffer in bending. The greater rigidity improves handling and gives the car a more solid and confident feel.
Weight distribution 2004 Cobra = 57/43
Weight distribution 2005 GT = 52/48
The Kenne Bell Mammoth kit makes
775 RWHP on the 3-valve 4.6 and
774 RWHP on the 03-04 Cobra and
801 RWHP on the GT500 kit.
http://www.kennebell.net/supercharge...th/mammoth.htm
Supercharge your 2007 GT
The extra 80 pounds of the cast iron block isn't the big deal everyone attempts to make it out to be, it cost about 12 HP to make that up, the extra cubic inches and under-tuned 100+ more horsepower are undeniable.
The 03-04 Cobra 4-valve forged internals 4.6 was the best engine Ford built since 1971 (71 429 SCJ, Boss 351) period. It is outstanding! But it has already been surpassed and the 3 year wait was much less than the 32 years it took to get the 03 Cobra .
Bone stock the 5.4 makes more power and easily handles 800+ RWHP with no internal modifications.
The 4.6 4-valve 03-04 cobra engine doesn't have anything on a forged internals 3-valve 4.6.
The 2005 Mustang chassis advancements and torsional rigidity alone are worth keeping the 2007, forget about the kickass styling improvements.
The 1979-2004 Fox platform was 25 years old and borrowed from the not-very-cool Ford Fairmont, the 2005 Mustang improves torsional rigidity. Torsional rigidity is up 35 percent over the 2004, and the structure is also 39 percent stiffer in bending. The greater rigidity improves handling and gives the car a more solid and confident feel.
Weight distribution 2004 Cobra = 57/43
Weight distribution 2005 GT = 52/48
The Kenne Bell Mammoth kit makes
775 RWHP on the 3-valve 4.6 and
774 RWHP on the 03-04 Cobra and
801 RWHP on the GT500 kit.
http://www.kennebell.net/supercharge...th/mammoth.htm
Supercharge your 2007 GT
Very well put!
12/30/08 | 10:34 AM
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Many issues with that idea so not the best of both worlds in my opinion.
The Cobra motor is a 4-valve and cant be controlled by our Spanish Oak PCM. So you would need to do a lot of custom work to make that engine work in an S197. Maybe a PCM from a GT500, new wiring harnesses etc.
This makes it an unreasonable swap. You could easily put forged rods ina 3-valve and make the same power as doing this 4-valve swap.
The Cobra motor is a 4-valve and cant be controlled by our Spanish Oak PCM. So you would need to do a lot of custom work to make that engine work in an S197. Maybe a PCM from a GT500, new wiring harnesses etc.
This makes it an unreasonable swap. You could easily put forged rods ina 3-valve and make the same power as doing this 4-valve swap.
Last edited by Rebel73; 12/30/08 at 10:37 AM.
12/30/08 | 01:16 PM
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Not to knock opposing views but in addition to the obvious mechanical, feature, and design differences the more time that passes the harder it will be to find a low mileage, unabused, and stock '03 - '04 Cobras while the '05 - '09 and next generation GTs' availabilty will be plentiful and very economical. One only has to research the existing available market to reach the conclusion OE Cobras with low high mileage and without body work are becoming a rarity.
12/30/08 | 04:09 PM
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Not to knock opposing views but in addition to the obvious mechanical, feature, and design differences the more time that passes the harder it will be to find a low mileage, unabused, and stock '03 - '04 Cobras while the '05 - '09 and next generation GTs' availabilty will be plentiful and very economical. One only has to research the existing available market to reach the conclusion OE Cobras with low high mileage and without body work are becoming a rarity.
I was offered $25,000 for my Cobra at my oil change place just 2 months ago!
12/30/08 | 06:23 PM
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Say what?
Bullitts, Roush's (most), Saleens (most) and Gt/CSs are nowhere near that. I just meant that if "future collectability" and value was important to you, you could consider a special edition S197. Yah, some of them get up there, but a Bullitt, or GT/CS, for example, can be had in the 30s ..a base Roush or Saleen not too much more.
Bullitts, Roush's (most), Saleens (most) and Gt/CSs are nowhere near that. I just meant that if "future collectability" and value was important to you, you could consider a special edition S197. Yah, some of them get up there, but a Bullitt, or GT/CS, for example, can be had in the 30s ..a base Roush or Saleen not too much more.
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12/30/08 | 08:56 PM
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Say what?
Bullitts, Roush's (most), Saleens (most) and Gt/CSs are nowhere near that. I just meant that if "future collectability" and value was important to you, you could consider a special edition S197. Yah, some of them get up there, but a Bullitt, or GT/CS, for example, can be had in the 30s ..a base Roush or Saleen not too much more.
Bullitts, Roush's (most), Saleens (most) and Gt/CSs are nowhere near that. I just meant that if "future collectability" and value was important to you, you could consider a special edition S197. Yah, some of them get up there, but a Bullitt, or GT/CS, for example, can be had in the 30s ..a base Roush or Saleen not too much more.
12/30/08 | 10:59 PM
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true, but the ones you have listed that are close in price arent that far off from a stock gt. mostly just body mods, maybe some suspension/brakes. as far as collectability goes, means nothin to me. not why i wanted a cobra. i bought my car to drive and enjoy. not sit in a garage and maybe see 100 miles a year.
12/31/08 | 05:33 PM
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