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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 06:48 AM
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No one needs to see f-bodies spinning out and wrecking. The mullets and jorts are enough of a train wreck by themselves.
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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by kcoTiger
No one needs to see f-bodies spinning out and wrecking. The mullets and jorts are enough of a train wreck by themselves.
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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by kcoTiger
No one needs to see f-bodies spinning out and wrecking. The mullets and jorts are enough of a train wreck by themselves.
I've never heard of the term "jorts", but after re-reading your post, I totally understand now. That, my friend, is utterly hilarious.
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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 04:08 PM
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I've been going to F-body events for years and there is very little of this kind of stuff. Usually, if it's a large event, there are GM employees on hand that emphasize that everyone knows what these cars can do and doing burnouts, drag racing and driving stupid isn't necessary and everyone is asked not to "show off" and to take it to the track! There are always the revving of the engines and the quick acceleration when people leave the event, but I have never seen anything like this at an F-body event. I also did a youtube search for "camaro fail" and I found nothing close to the amount of "mustang fail".

Many years ago, two 4th gen cars decided to drag race outside the host hotel after midnight. There weren't any side of the road spectators to show off for, but they wanted to see whose car was faster. One car lost control, hit the curb and flipped into a concrete wall killing the two people in the back seat. The car hit the wall 8 feet up. The driver was jailed, obviously. Since then, nothing even close to this, that I have heard of. I couldn't imagine the outcome if people were standing on the side of the road when the car flipped!

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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 07:12 PM
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That's it guys and girls


We all need to learn how to be responsible like Camaro drivers.
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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by scottmoyer
I've been going to F-body events for years and there is very little of this kind of stuff. Usually, if it's a large event, there are GM employees on hand that emphasize that everyone knows what these cars can do and doing burnouts, drag racing and driving stupid isn't necessary and everyone is asked not to "show off" and to take it to the track! There are always the revving of the engines and the quick acceleration when people leave the event, but I have never seen anything like this at an F-body event. I also did a youtube search for "camaro fail" and I found nothing close to the amount of "mustang fail". Many years ago, two 4th gen cars decided to drag race outside the host hotel after midnight. There weren't any side of the road spectators to show off for, but they wanted to see whose car was faster. One car lost control, hit the curb and flipped into a concrete wall killing the two people in the back seat. The car hit the wall 8 feet up. The driver was jailed, obviously. Since then, nothing even close to this, that I have heard of. I couldn't imagine the outcome if people were standing on the side of the road when the car flipped!
So what you're saying is the mustangs are a lot more fun and scary nancy boys drive Fbodies right? Or maybe the lack of low end torque just prevents these things from happening in the Fbody camp.

made me do it.
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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 08:05 PM
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Well, if they ever have a Scion FR-S / Subaru BRZ week you won't have to worry about this stuff. The things don't generate enough torque to break loose.
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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 11:22 PM
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Well, if they ever have a Scion FR-S / Subaru BRZ week you won't have to worry about this stuff. The things don't generate enough torque to break loose.
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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by White2010
Well, if they ever have a Scion FR-S / Subaru BRZ week you won't have to worry about this stuff. The things don't generate enough torque to break loose.
Haha, i have driven it. The power is pathetic. The interior on the mustang is way nicer.
30k for a brz? Are you kidding me?

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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by AlsCobra
So what you're saying is the mustangs are a lot more fun and scary nancy boys drive Fbodies right? Or maybe the lack of low end torque just prevents these things from happening in the Fbody camp.

made me do it.
That's an intelligent response since the Camaro comes with more horsepower and more torque (at a slightly higher RPM) than the Mustang. Here's a simple comparison:

1987 GT - 300
1987 IROC-Z - 340

1992 GT - 275
1992 Z28 - 345

1997 GT - 300
1997 Z28 - 340

2002 GT - 302
2002 Z28 - 340

2014 GT - 390
2014 SS - 420

Actually, I think the difference is that there are so many Camaro and GM shows around the country that a gathering of 2000 at one place doesn't usually happen. With that, you don't get the sides of the road lined with people trying to get you to do stupid things. Again, I know drivers of all performance cars do dumb things with 'em, but if the people weren't there trying to video cars leaving, would there have been these issues? I could be wrong since I'm new to the Mustang world, but are there Mustang shows everywhere also? And this is just an annual big event regardless?

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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 02:55 PM
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scott I'm hoping those or torque numbers because if they're supposed to be hp numbers they are definitely wrong.
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 03:01 PM
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Those are torque numbers since AlsCobra mentioned that the Camaro doesn't have the low end torque that a Mustang does. If it was HP, you're right, they are way off!!!!

I don't want this to become a pissing match since I own and enjoy both cars now and have had Chevys my entire life. I am guilty of being sure the facts are accurately spouted though. Also, I know Fbody owners drive their cars the same way and do the same stupid things. My point was to say that the Mustang owners seem to have more spectators capturing these stupid acts than the fbody crowd possibly due to considerably smaller gatherings.

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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by scottmoyer
Those are torque numbers since AlsCobra mentioned that the Camaro doesn't have the low end torque that a Mustang does. If it was HP, you're right, they are way off!!!!

I don't want this to become a pissing match since I own and enjoy both cars now and have had Chevys my entire life. I am guilty of being sure the facts are accurately spouted though. Also, I know Fbody owners drive their cars the same way and do the same stupid things. My point was to say that the Mustang owners seem to have more spectators capturing these stupid acts than the fbody crowd possibly due to considerably smaller gatherings.
Or maybe its the fact that there are a lot less Camaros out there than Mustangs and that Mustangs have a larger following. And since you're going to have a certain percentage of drivers being an asshat in any given type of car, it stands to reason that the more cars of a certain type there are, you're going to see more asshattery on percentages alone.
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by scottmoyer
That's an intelligent response since the Camaro comes with more horsepower and more torque (at a slightly higher RPM) than the Mustang. Here's a simple comparison:

1987 GT - 300
1987 IROC-Z - 340

1992 GT - 275
1992 Z28 - 345

1997 GT - 300
1997 Z28 - 340

2002 GT - 302
2002 Z28 - 340

2014 GT - 390
2014 SS - 420

Actually, I think the difference is that there are so many Camaro and GM shows around the country that a gathering of 2000 at one place doesn't usually happen. With that, you don't get the sides of the road lined with people trying to get you to do stupid things. Again, I know drivers of all performance cars do dumb things with 'em, but if the people weren't there trying to video cars leaving, would there have been these issues? I could be wrong since I'm new to the Mustang world, but are there Mustang shows everywhere also? And this is just an annual big event regardless?
Where'd you get those Mustang HP numbers??

'87 for example:
5.0L EFI V-8 225 hp HO E Code
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 04:12 PM
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scott I'm hoping those or torque numbers because if they're supposed to be hp numbers they are definitely wrong.
Right. The GT didn't break 300hp until the 3V in '05.
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 04:43 PM
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by scottmoyer
That's an intelligent response since the Camaro comes with more horsepower and more torque (at a slightly higher RPM) than the Mustang. Here's a simple comparison: 1987 GT - 300 1987 IROC-Z - 340 1992 GT - 275 1992 Z28 - 345 1997 GT - 300 1997 Z28 - 340 2002 GT - 302 2002 Z28 - 340 2014 GT - 390 2014 SS - 420 Actually, I think the difference is that there are so many Camaro and GM shows around the country that a gathering of 2000 at one place doesn't usually happen. With that, you don't get the sides of the road lined with people trying to get you to do stupid things. Again, I know drivers of all performance cars do dumb things with 'em, but if the people weren't there trying to video cars leaving, would there have been these issues? I could be wrong since I'm new to the Mustang world, but are there Mustang shows everywhere also? And this is just an annual big event regardless?
Gm gatherings happen at the dealer. Also your horsepower figures are wrong. 99-04 gt 260hp. 14gt 420 hp
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by cdynaco
Where'd you get those Mustang HP numbers?? '87 for example: 5.0L EFI V-8 225 hp HO E Code
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Right. The GT didn't break 300hp until the 3V in '05.
Originally Posted by Wild5.0
Gm gatherings happen at the dealer. Also your horsepower figures are wrong. 99-04 gt 260hp. 14gt 420 hp
Guys...these are clearly tq numbers. Plus he already confirmed this several posts up.
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by typesredline
Guys...these are clearly tq numbers. Plus he already confirmed this several posts up.
oops. sorry - I was focusing on lunch.
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 08:54 PM
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Far more Mustang owners, both past and present, that are car enthusiasts. There are at least as many Mustang shows around the country, sanctioned and otherwise, as there are camaro shows. I realize the camaro is a popular car, but come on...we're talking about America's pony/muscle car in the Mustang. If you (scottmoyer) are truly unaware of the popularity and prevalence of the Mustang in these United States, you're either excessively sheltered or have your head in the sand.
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