Gotta remember Sony/MS aren't primarily a gaming company...
They can take a hit on the console and have almost endless pockets..

Nintendo is ONLY gaming and is smart about what it does.
Its in the black....and knows how to make a console, and knows that they are a money losing unit...
..you always make money off the software, not the console itself.

Nintendo started to turn it around with the GameCube (Resident Evil 4, Geist, etc) I don't see them turning strictly adult.
I think they'll keep doinig what they've been doing.....
Games for people across the board......
....as long as 3rd party companies keep making games for it, and its got great graphics, I'm on board.

I would not doubt for a second that the other 2 will start to copy the 'rev' down the line...no doubt

 

Nintendo was the first console to have wireless controllers and an analog stick. If I remember correctly

I also remember hearing that Co.'s actually lose money per console. Where they make the moneys is in the games, like Boomer said.

 

I highly doubt Sony and Microsoft would copy Nintendo in anything. Sony and Microsoft always go to the highest level when their making their console, Nintendo seems to take little baby steps.

Sony and Microsoft may not be only a gaming company like nintendo, but you have to remember when your a much more wealthier company, you are able to make a much better product. You are able to hire more advanced people, and with Sony and Mircosoft having a much better reputation, their are going to do better.

On the other hand, Sony and Microsoft are getting to off track with their consoles. If you noticed the new Xbox360, It has so many features that doesnt even have anything to do with video-games. And Sony is planning to do the same but not as bad as Microsoft. Thats the only thing i like more about nintendo. They stick to gaming and not useless crap you dont need on a video game console.

And if i remember correctly, Nintendo DID make the first analogue stick stocked with the N64. But thats not because it was their idea, It was because the N64 went to the level of 360 degree gaming, and they needed an analogue stick to make it easier for those games. Sony and Microsoft wouldeve done the same thing whether Nintendo did made it or not.

 

But Nintendo made it to the the 360 realm first and now their new gameplay is going to change everything.
They are usually at the head of innovation, so I wouldnt call those baby steps (DS, 64, Revolution are not baby steps), they are not as "noticeable" because people just don't want to notice.

I have not seen one gaming innovation that Sony and Microsoft have created. It's all the same old same old with better graphics every four years.

Remember these bad boys?

 

Nice, I have the Akklaim wireless for my Nes. I'm surprised how good it works compared to new wireless though.
How did the official ones handle?

 

They didn't handle that good if I remember correctly :P

 

Lol doesnt really matter who made 360 degree gaming first, the only thing that matters is who uses it to the fullest. And thats not nintendo i can tell u that much. And what new gameplay? PS3 is going to run on Blue-ray discs, much better then HD-DVD discs the revolution are gonna use.

And if you want to talk about innovations, how bout the fact that the revolution got the idea of backwards compatibility from PS2? or they got the idea of DVD movies from PS2? or they stoped using gaming cartridges right after they saw PS1 used CD's.

Sony and Microsoft dont have to create innovations. The majority of people want the same thing. More.. They want a game that takes longer to beat and has a more realistic feel to it and doesnt lag. Sony and Microsoft does that for them. Nintendo is mostly based on Mario and Zelda games. They dont need to worry about graphics and realistic things as sony and microsoft do.

 

When I say gameplay, I mean the way you play the games. Nintendo is revolutionizing (no pun intended) the way we play them.

Sony literally stole the idea of CD's for games from Nintendo, who was trying to out due the Sega CD
The first backward compatible console was the Atari 7800. You could play Atari 2600 games on it.
And DVD movies are a neat featue, but isn't that important in a console imo.
Nintendo didn't right away go with CD's; they didnt feel the need to. PS1 was released in 1995. N64 was released 1996. Gamecube was released 2001 and used optical discs
And what people like is up to each person

 

This time around I like all three They all did a great job

I'm just happy that the company that started me on gaming, has gotten me interested in them again.
Probably if it werent for their new promise of gameplay I would've skipped Nintendo once again.
I can get all the classic gaming on my PSP :hiding:

 

Oh ya the controller is definatly going to revolutionize how we play games. Ill agree on that, the demo they showed looked really cool and the fact that you can use it as a pointer will have a great advantage over Sony and Microsoft, but the more advanced games comes from Sony and MS. Will that mean nintendo wont do as good? of course not, like you said its about what people like in games and what peoples budgits are on game playing. The Revolution is going to sell for much less then the Xbox 360 and PS3. Which will make it more worth it to buy. Its like a mustang GT and V6.. The GT has more performance but the V6 is definatly worth its price.

All im saying is, is that in my opinion, Nintendo isnt going to make a console like Sony and MS. Most people that buy Nintendo consoles dont look for realistic features, they look for entertainment only. Most people that play PS2 and Xbox want better graphics and more realistic features in their games. Take Grand Theft Auto for example, its the most realistic game out their right now but nintendo doesnt want it for their consoles because they will lose more sales on the console when parents find out what kind of game is on their kids game console. Nintendo doesnt want to cross that borderline. They do have M rated games, but they dont have a big bad rep like the M-A rated games Sony and MS have.

 

Ever hear of the term 'More Money than Brains' ?

Nintendo does revolutionize everything... they should, they were the inovators back in the day. But it is hard to keep up.

NES days "Crosshair"
SNES "Shoulder buttons"
N64 "Analog control"
GameCube "Wireless"
Revolution "Wireless Out of the Box + Old emu's + Controller (3d)"

The only reason why the Sony was backwards compatible was because of the medium that it was offered in (CD+DVD)
How many people do YOU know with modded PS/PS2s that download games and burned them but never bought them?
Nintendo was always getting around that with 'different media' ie: carts..which allthough expensive...provided ZERO load times.

The gamecube games STILL provide the best load times based on their media. It too would have been backwards compatible, but it would have been too expensive to attach a slot for carts. Remember consoles don't make money, they lose money...why lose more than you have to.

Gamecube also had DVD playablilty....if you were in japan and bought the 'panasonic' version of the cube.

I admit sometimes Nin. is stupid when they get into 'it will never work' then turn around and do it. They are waiting it out, and seeing if its worth while. (Online gaming is a prime example of this)
So they take it a step further and offer it FREE and WIRELESSLY in the new system.

As for realstic games and such.
Do you even realize now how many years it takes to create a 'blockbuster looking game' ?
Turn around time is going INSANE... Nintendo IS right in that, if they don't have the appropriate tools built into their SDKs, the market will crash with crap....

Oh and one other point...
hehe
What did MS do when they built the 360?
Copied Nintendo to a 'T'
XBOX used Intel+NVidia for their CPU and GPU.
CGube uses IBM+ATI
Just take a guess at who MS went to for the 360 components....
take a wild guess....
Wonder why....

 

PS1 came out in 1995 with dual analogue sticks. N64 came out in 1996 with one analogue stick.
Gamecube had wireless controllers but they werent stock, same with PS2 and Xbox. They had wireless controllers u could buy seperatly.
Revolution haveing wireless controllers out of the box, ya wow big deal we already knew that the Xbox 360 and pS3 would have wireless controllers out of the box before even hereing about the revolution.

And yes Sony made backwards compatibility because they used CD's, But nintendo couldeve made backwards compatibility when they were using game cartridges for NES, SNES and N64.
And i dont know anybody with downloaded PS1/PS2 games or burned games. You can only burn games for PC, i dont think it works for Sony consoles

The gamecube games provide the best load times because their games arent as high tech as Sony and Microsoft games. I think Super Mario sunshine would be easier to load up then Grand theft Auto: San Andreas.

Consoles do lose more money then they make, but they make it back from the games and the items they make after for them. Nintendo might not want to lose as much money in their consoles, but their going to have less buyers if they dont spend more money making their consoles like Sony and MS.

The Gamecube Panasonic is $500. Who would spend that much on a game console?

Free and Wireless internet connection. PS2 had a FREE internet connection. I dont really see how its bad not having wireless internet connection. Im kind of skeptical about Nintendo, MS, and Sony useing Wireless controllers. Maybe in the long run they will start loosing reception. And having wireless internet connection might have a bigger risk of that.

Im not a Sony/Microsoft fan at all, i think they all have their ups and downs. Microsoft with their huge disfigured controller for the launch of Xbox, Nintendo being so far back with graphics, Sony.. well i dont really know anything thats really bad about them.

 

Oh yea, burning is rampant when it comes to PS. My brother's friends have many a'games burned.

And the analog stick idea was straight out Nintendo's. Here's a little history: Sony was hired by Nintendo to help them create a console that used CD's back in the early ninteties. Nintendo dropped them, and Sony ran with the ideas and the console. Nintendo sued, but lost in court. Even the name Playstation was created by Nintendo.

 

fact:

Sony PS1 started with a 4 button UP/DOWN/LEFT/RIGHT direction controller.

DUAL shock was not till WAY after N64....Nintendo started the analog trend, regardless how many joysticks were analog on Sony's.

Nintendo's cartridges were not all the same format, hence why they didn't have backwards compat. They would have had to have numerous plug interfaces.

Fact: its the media, not the size of the game.
Take ANY crossplatform game that all 3 systems run, the load time is WAY smaller on the cube...period. Look at resident evil 4 and tell me its a 'lame' looking game. The load times in that game are second to none and put a LOT of games graphics to shame. It has NOTHING to do with the game graphics being high tech....

Fact: your precious X360 and PS3 demo's were not shown on real hardware at E3, they were on PCs. So until the system ships and see what Nintendo has up their sleeves... we can't really comment on a comparison.

hahah who would pay 'X' dollars for a cube with DVD?
Ask microsoft..they WERE the ones that made get an add on for it...

And Zep...to add to your story.
Nintendo was also tried to be bought out by MS.
And now MS started to buy up some companies (in grande ms fasion) like RAREware...who built excellent 'N' games but started slipping.

Sony PS2 graphics are inferior to cubes...its a fact..considering it came out a year earlier.
PS3 looks great as well as X360 (as long as they can live up to the tech demos..which were again...not on actual hardware yet)
But no one has seen an Rev. real time graphics yet....wonder why....


As a sidenote:
The Revolution will play ALL past games from NES -> Rev Nintendo games.
The unit has an emulator in it (not that its a big deal for people on PCs who can get these at any time) but the fact that they are allowing you to download old roms...is awsome....

 

It's just a good time to be a gamer, competition always creates the best products.

 

Whoa now.. dont go overboard, Gamecube is cool and all.. but PS2 graphics are much better then them. It doesnt matter that it came out a year after

Their are plenty of websites that lists comparison charts of the new generation systems, and Xbox 360 eal info has been let out about the Revolution. So how about when all three systems come out we can see which one performs the best I can assure you it will be MS and Sony at the top sales.

And competition is great and all, but i would rather have a PS3, Xbox 360 and Revolution in one console then them separate anyday. They should really do that. It would turn out a lot better if they cooperated with each other and werent so money hungry

 

PS2 graphics are better than Cube?
Ok you are seriously smoking something you shouldn't be.

The GPU is WAY more powerful on the cube.

Case in point.
Take a look at Resident Evil 4 on Cube and PS2.
The PS2 version, brought out almost a year later.... had to be dumbed down because its physically incapable of being on par.

Specs on the 360 are out...obviously.
The system comes out before years end (within 2 months)
Its finalized, as is the PS3 which comes out next year.

The problem is, we know who nintendo is using (and the other 2 companies)
but until you actually see real game content by all 3, its hard to gauge.

I agree, its that time that comes every 5-8 years where new consoles come out....good time to have a solid job to feed that need

 

Ah crap sorry i got PS2 and Xbox mixed up for a second. :bang: i meant xbox graphics are a lot better.

The Xbox 360 is coming out in 2 months and is finalized but the PS3 is not finalized yet. It still has a concept controller (same with the controller for Revolution you posted, i believe its a concept design) so it is not finalized yet. In fact, its not even finalized that PS3 will be let out next spring in the US. It will be let out in Japan first and the release for the US might even be pushed into 2007 to decrease the price.

If all the info let out by Microsoft and Sony are true, then the PS3 will be much more powerful. We just need to wait until the Revolution lets out all of their info to see how they do against the PS3.

 

man that controller is the stupidest thing i have ever seen! Who wants to play a game with a remote? I am sticking ith xbox dude...like lalo said, i'm one of those people who doesn't want to like nintendo

 

Umm... looks like someone is afraid of change. :P And for people like you, they will make a "normal" controller where you can attach the new one to, and still be able to use it's pointer power.