The Civil War, such a needless loss of life. It brings to light the fact that our founding fathers laid the foundation for its roots without even knowing, proving they were far from being perfect.

 

Today, they have 24 in custody, and have frozen the bank accounts of 19 of them due to "suspicious" activity. It seems that 2 or more of them have visited "operatives" in Pakistan in the past few months to secure funding and advice.

One of the most worrying aspects of this is that at least one of the potential bombers is British of British origin (i.e. family have been here for 10+ generations). He recently converted to Islam, and his mind has been altered in such a way that he would kill his compatriots.

Hanging would be way to good for him. Send the rest to Gitmo, but let the British deal with him in an extra-judiciary court (as our normal courts will probably let him off with £2m of compensation for wrongful arrest.)

As you can see, I am slightly mad about this!

 

After something like this happens; why do they always say:
NOW is the safest time to fly?

What is it unsafe and no one cares unless someone threatens to blow up an airplane?

 

The issue was NSA wiretapping without warrants, bypassing FISA courts. They had warrants for these people.

 

In the past this has been applied, especially in WWII. Several "liberties" were suspended (curfews, rationing, etc.) due to the nature of the times, only to be restored once the conflict was resolved. Why any difference today? I leave that up to your individual consciences to mull about.

It seems our main problem here is the media and it's attitude toward an America which (it seems) cannot be allowed to defend itself. All we hear about is "proportional" responses when it comes to responding to the Islamic terrorists (how politically incorrect of me!). Then on the other hand these same "journalists" refer to the Abu Gharib incidents as "brutalization". Well I think most all of us can agree that "proportionally" compared to what these terrorists conspire to do to us on a daily basis, that they are not even in the same GALAXY, much less ballpark. And I hear the folks out there saying we are more civilized than they are, well maybe it is time to suspend that as well.

We are obviously fighting more than one enemy here.

 

I personally have no problem with the type of tapping (phone calls into and out of the country) that was being employed in this action. It seems that during the 90's Mr. Clinton's adminstration employed a data-mining device on Intra-country phone calls (Echelon), which in my eyes is far more nefarious, with little or no public outcry.

It would have been nice to see that instead of finding new uses for cigars, that he could have taken out Bin-Laden when presented to us on a silver platter.

 

They didn't have warrants. The NSA (or any other foreign law enforcement agency) do not have juristiction here. They might have had permission from MI5, or even been asked to help, but they didn't have warrants.

 

If I ever happen to be hijacked, bad luck. Try and beat them down I geuss.

 

I'm afraid that this current reign of terrorism is not going to end in our lifetime, nor our children and grandchildren time. These people are totally dedicated and will gladly die for their beliefs even if it means murdering in cold blood innocent men, women and children. Past wars usually had a definite winner and loser - IMO it is a guerilla war on a world-wide basis which is now spreading. Apparently this latest plot was planned by individuals born in Britain"s which is one of the most democractic nations in the world.

 

Ollie hits the nail on the head...just another example of who is amongst our enemies.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/O...eeedom_-_again

 

Yes, they did have warrants and jurisdiction. The calls in question were from the US to GB.

 

The BinLaden "silver platter" story has been debunked thoroughly.

 

"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country." - Gen. George S. Patton.

The country has got to get over this mentality that the terrorists can be appeased through treaties and talks. The only way we're going to win this is through extermination.

 

Evidence?

Must have missed that day in class, but the point is that the Clinton administration did not help us out in our current situation, i.e: N. Korean nukes, High tech information to China, etc. They were exceptional at wagging the dog, however.

Besides rather than transferring pertinent info to the Bush people, Billy's juvenile staffers were too busy pulling "W's" off of every keyboard in sight! (that is a joke-sort of.)

 

I'm just gonna move to Australia and buy a big chunk of desert in the middle of the outback....that way at least i can see them coming.

 

Good one!

 

Again, we must be watching different news. It is amazing how we get different news to the US about the same event and vice versa.

 

Feel free to google it yourself.

Can't have it both ways. Can't claim inaction on that admin's part then when they do act, claim they're wagging the dog. They did a lot.


You really should educate yourself on reality before spouting stuff like this, even jokingly. Google on "Hart/Rudman Report". Bush's administration threw out their findings insisting on doing their own analysis by summer 2001. Didn't happen.

I could continue with you, but would rather not. Don't usually discuss politics here. Do some research, find different reports from all sorts of sources whether they align with your political views or not, and you'll find lots of interesting truths different from what you think you know.

 

My source on that was a Fox News broadcast. Cannot find print confirmation of it yet, only Gonzalez saying that specific details are not being disclosed just yet.

Is the press over there a little more forthcoming with details?

 

Punishment taken and digested.....I will just keep my opinions (whether they are incorrect or not) to myself. <fin>