I always said screw flying. And people wonder why.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,207682,00.html

 

I am quite happy flying, as it is, MI5 managed to catch these terrorists before they did anything, they never got near a plane. All the restrictions have been put in place as a failsafe, to stop sleeper cells from suddenly activating.

I would rather the restrictions and arrested terrorists than doing nothing and waiting for them to blow a plane out of the sky

 

Me too.

 

This country needs to get serious about terrorism. This plot is a perfect example that we are going to have to give up some personal freedom to defeat this enemy.

 

I hope this statement doesn't offend (not meant to)

Religion and an agenda can be a dangerous combination.

 

Religion and fanatacism can cause people to go against their religious beliefs entirely. Kind of ironic -- and stupid.

 

Regardless of what the traditional media and the left say, we are in World War III (or IV if you count the Cold War). Too bad there are so many in this country with the "Ostrich Syndrome". With any luck we will be able to overcome despite these folks. Before it is too late.

 

I don't think Frank would agree with you.

 

I don't know who to attribute the quote to, but a society willing to give up its freedoms for security will soon have niether.

 

My sentiments exactly.
We are the country we are because of those freedoms.

 

Why is it there is a trend to be so sensitive with this bunch of motherf*****s? There is no way to call trash anything other than what it is.

 

I believe it was Benjamin Franklin.

And it's true today as the day he said it.

Ahhh, I had to google it, but here's the exact quote:

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania (1759)

 

Personally, I don't think it's just our government, but it's all governments that need to get serious about it. The problem there is that people will start spinning it as "The Next Crusades" or some kind of "Holy War" and it's not. Al Queda holds a grudge against the US because we stopped supplying them with Stinger missles and other weapons when they were fighting the Soviets. We left them hanging out to dry, but that doesn't make what they are doing right. They are calling this a jihad, a Holy War and it's not.

I'm looking for the passage in the Koran, any version of the Bible or any Holy manuscript that says it's ok to kill people.

I'm pretty sure that it doesn't exist.

Did anyone happen to see the movie Syriana? If you haven't, check it out. You'll see how easy it is to get someone to die for their beliefs.

 

I am impressed.

Obviously you are quite familiar with our founding fathers' visions for a prospering future. How interesting, convenient, and hypocritical of you, as well as Mr. Franklin.

Apparently you have chosen to ignore the fact which Mr. Franklin approved the use of slavery. That's right, not only was he a customer, but an owner as well. So according to him and his inspiring cliche, his ideals applied to those in his image and likeness. The rest, whether black, indian, or chinese, did not deserve any liberties or safeties.

You might like to Google that for your instant history lesson.

 

Syriana was a very interesting movie.
The Old Testament had some killing in it. (Jericho,Sodom and Gommorah, etc.)
But Moses brought down the tablet that said, "thou shalt not kill".

 

I usually like what you have to say, but I have to disagree with the general sentiment here. Just because his views on slavery ( and I don't know what else ) were wrong, does not make the freedoms for security wrong ( nor right for that matter ). If we follow that logic, we should scrap the whole Declaration of Independence, The Constitution, and who knows what else as a lot of the founding fathers had similar opinions.

 

Our founding fathers did not have a single clue of what the future would be like, much less predict the existance of a people with such little regard for human life. Their thoughts and ideals where based on their personal experiences in a very simple and limited setting, much like the present atmosphere in which people think that our mentality is shared world wide.

Times have changed and there is a reality to be faced and dealt with. I don't think that many will place the safety of their loved ones in the hands of the ACLU. The terrorists are like the fictional Terminator. They can't be bargained with or reasoned with, they won't stop. Not only because they are primitive in their beliefs but they enjoy inflicting pain and suffering.

I don't think victims of September 11th were too concerned about Declaration of Independence or the Constitution while they were jumping to their deaths from the 80th floor. Countries at war many times have to accept many unpleasant changes, even Marshall Law. The difference here is many do not want to be inconvenienced, and would rather give up their lives to this trash from hall rather that to accept the remote possibility of a phone call being listened to.

 

I think its Martial Law. Sorry to be the nitpicker, heh heh. Personally I have no fear of flying, even now.

 

Whether this country likes it or not, we are under attack. Every day there are people with but one thing own their minds. KILL Americans, anyway possible. Why? you may ask?, because their religion / religious leaders tell them so, it is the right thing to do, to be accepted in to their "higher" place. To be a martyr for their gods.

Do you ever see the "leaders" leading the way? The first one to pull the pin? No, they get their "sheep" to do it, while they hide in plain sight.

If the president, GW Bush were allowed, this conflict could be over in a couple of days. But what would people say, that he was politically incorrect in doing so?

If Israel was allowed, it would have been shorter than the 7 day war.
No, they were looked upon as murderers.

This is war, the US has been and still is under attack.
To quote a family member of mine who was killed in battle, "Kill them all, let God sort the mess out."

TDS

 

I think the founding fathers of the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights would have agreed with me. The constitution would back that up. Article 1 section 9 states ...The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it....That line in the constitution was put in there by the founding fathers themselves. Another famous leader Abraham Lincoln used this provision in desperate times during the civil war.
As It stands now, todays attempted terrorist attack was stopped with the help of the NSA evesdropping. Many cried a few months ago about this "invasion of our freedom". The facts are, it saved thousands of lives.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...225453,00.html