That'd be kinda cool, because you'd refill your car through the corn hole.

 

Thank you for your uneducated (or sarcastic, can't really tell) opinion, but as I've said before, I'm getting the V6. It's entirely possible to be an environmentalist and be a muscle car guy. If you've read what I've said before, you'd know that Hydrogen combustion needs very few mods to run in a normal gasoline engine. In fact, there are Rx-8s out there that can run on both with the flip of a switch. Rest assured that when I get my s197 (most likely in 4 years or so), I will switch it over to hydrogen combustion as soon as possible.

 

It's good stuff, a great option, but doesn't burn quite as clean as hydrogen. To get the corn we'd have to farm more land then now, meaning more destruction of the earth. It's not like we can use existing farms, since they're already full of food corn. I'd go into it more, but I'm on a time crunch and have to leave for a party soon. Thank you for bringing that up though, I've been so hung up on how great Hydrogen is that I almost forgot such options existed.

 

We are working on a project (Construction Claim) on a plant in MO, that takes Chicken and Turkey parts (offal) and turns into oil.

Here is a recent article from MSNBC . . .


Mo. Plant Makes Oil From Turkey OffalBy MARGARET STAFFORD
The Associated Press
Updated: 3:34 p.m. ET May 25, 2004Someday, if the hopes and dreams of investors in a small plant in southwest Missouri come true, Americans may be using oil derived from what is left of a turkey after it has gone through a rendering plant.

The blood, guts, skin, feathers and bones, called turkey offal, are being converted into oil at the plant in Carthage, about 50 miles west of Springfield. Owners of the plant announced this week that they have begun selling between 100 and 200 barrels of the oil per day.

The plant is operated by Renewable Environmental Solutions, based in Downer's Grove, Ill., which is a joint venture of ConAgra Foods Inc. and Changing World Technologies, Inc.

A method called Thermal Conversion Process converts the offal from turkeys at a nearby Butterball plant into oil, fatty acids, natural gas, minerals and carbon.

The process can convert any carbon-based form, essentially by speeding up the method the earth uses to break down dead plants and animals into petroleum hydrocarbons. Using specific heat, pressure and water, the feedstock's long molecular chains are broken into gas that is recycled to run the plant, water that is returned to municipal water streams and the other products that are sold.

The advantages of the process are significant, according to Brian Appel, chairman and chief executive officer of Changing World Technologies.

He said it uses far less energy than other waste-to-energy products, creates fewer toxic emissions and destroys most pathogens in the feedstocks, while creating environmentally friendly fuels and fertilizers.

If the process becomes widely accepted, it would reduce the mountains of animal waste accumulating in the world, help reduce global warming and prove that biomass is a viable alternative energy, Appel said.

"All this adds up to reducing our dependence on volatile parts of the world," Appel said.

Appel acknowledges that some critics say the process cannot work as well as supporters claim or won't become economically useful.

"What you have to do is build the first one, quiet the critics who are putting doubt into the market and then prove you can build these on a large scale," Appel said. "It will take time to develop. ... You have to start somewhere, and this is the start."

Leonard Bull, associate director of the Animal and Poultry Waste Center at North Carolina State University, has seen presentations on the Thermal Conversion Process and liked what he heard.

"I'm very supportive of it," said Bull, who is not connected with the project. "That technology offers a lot of possibilities."

Bull suggested the biggest hurdles facing Renewable Environmental Solution will be finding markets to make the plants profitable and eliminating political and market barriers that currently discourage alternative energy production.

The oil produced at the Carthage plant is being sold to oil blenders and local people for use as a heat source. A local utility also is testing the product. When the plant is fully operational this summer, it will produce about 500 barrels of oil, which will be sold at prices competitive with No. 2 diesel oil, Appel said.

The entire project, which included initial testing at Philadelphia's Naval Business Center, costs about $80 million, with the plant at Carthage costing about $25 million. Investors have paid about $25 million, while the federal government has added about $5 million in grants, Appel said.

RES is currently undergoing environmental assessments required to build plants in Colorado, Alabama and Nevada, he said.

Bull said other companies and investors interested in alternative energy programs will be watching the Carthage plant closely.

"If it's successful economically as well as technically, then it will make it easier for others who have similarly complex technology to get backers, investors and move forward," Bull said. "If it doesn't, it will have the opposite effect."

P.J. Samson, president of RES, is unfazed by the pressure.

"We get generally positive responses, a lot of people saying this should be done and it's great we're trying it," Samson said.

"Of course, some folks say it can't work. I just ask them, 'What do you want me to do with my oil?'"

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On the Net:

Renewable Environmental Resources: http://www.res-energy.com

Changing World Technologies: www.changingworldtech.com

ConAgra: www.conagra.com

Copyright 2004 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

 

5.5US-$ / gallon (91 octane). that's "normal" gas, other types are "super" (95) and "super plus" (98).

 

It's good stuff, a great option, but doesn't burn quite as clean as hydrogen. To get the corn we'd have to farm more land then now, meaning more destruction of the earth. It's not like we can use existing farms, since they're already full of food corn. I'd go into it more, but I'm on a time crunch and have to leave for a party soon. Thank you for bringing that up though, I've been so hung up on how great Hydrogen is that I almost forgot such options existed. [/b][/quote]
Hmmm. very interesting project. We learn more every day.

Please keep us updated on this.

 

Thank you for your uneducated (or sarcastic, can't really tell) opinion, but as I've said before, I'm getting the V6. It's entirely possible to be an environmentalist and be a muscle car guy. If you've read what I've said before, you'd know that Hydrogen combustion needs very few mods to run in a normal gasoline engine. In fact, there are Rx-8s out there that can run on both with the flip of a switch. [/b][/quote]
Yes, I think he was entirely serious when he said make gas from baby seals



But, his message him talking to the tree huggers was real. I mean, I'm all for being environmentally friendly, but there are certain things that I want to do that aren't as great for the environment. I am not going to tailor everything I do to be friendly to the environment. Call me selfish, but it's true along with a lot of other people. For example, I don't want to drive an Echo or a Prius, I want a fricking 300 HP Mustang
You think that the Hollywood celebrities are being "eco-conscious" when the drive to award shows? Uh, no. I'd be willing to bet their mammoth houses (which they have a right to own) are not running on solar power.





Oh, and about that RX-8 which is hydrogen:

Decipher-Can you please enlighten me on how the Hydrogen is made for these engines? Yup, it's through methods that damage the environment. In my opinion, instead of giving up gas and moving to hydrogen or electric cars (can anyone say "lead-acid batteries?") they should just make the gasoline cars more efficient. That is what they are doing, and I am all for that

 

Farming is destroying the earth? I get what you mean in a sense, but what good is the earth if there is nobody living on it (if you don't get that statement, it means that humans and other animals need food).

 

Farming is destroying the earth? I get what you mean in a sense, but what good is the earth if there is nobody living on it (if you don't get that statement, it means that humans and other animals need food). [/b][/quote]
what decipher was trying to say was if you need to use corn to make a fuel, you needs lots of land, therefore cutting down forests, which is not good...

I think in the future there will be a lot more choices in terms of fuel, because it does not seem there is one that will be dominant enough to replace gasoline outright.

 

Yes, I think he was entirely serious when he said make gas from baby seals



But, his message him talking to the tree huggers was real. I mean, I'm all for being environmentally friendly, but there are certain things that I want to do that aren't as great for the environment. I am not going to tailor everything I do to be friendly to the environment. Call me selfish, but it's true along with a lot of other people. For example, I don't want to drive an Echo or a Prius, I want a fricking 300 HP Mustang
You think that the Hollywood celebrities are being "eco-conscious" when the drive to award shows? Uh, no. I'd be willing to bet their mammoth houses (which they have a right to own) are not running on solar power.





Oh, and about that RX-8 which is hydrogen:

Decipher-Can you please enlighten me on how the Hydrogen is made for these engines? Yup, it's through methods that damage the environment. In my opinion, instead of giving up gas and moving to hydrogen or electric cars (can anyone say "lead-acid batteries?") they should just make the gasoline cars more efficient. That is what they are doing, and I am all for that [/b][/quote]
Same here, same here

 

Anybody who claims to be an environmentalist and doesn't drive a hybrid, loses all credibility in my book. Especially if they drive a muscle car.

 

Awwwww, cmon. you can have your cake and eat it too. Mustangs get decent mpg for their performance.

I'm all in favor of hydrogen technology, and we're going to see it soon. In spite of all the naysayers here, it's going to be cheaper to produce and use than gasoline, and that's a good thing. There's a great fuel cell website which will tell you a lot about, and here in the great state of California, Arnold has said he wants to develop a hydrogen highway. It's coming, folks.

Now, if I could just get my car to run on a byproduct of burritos....

 

If you follow US politics, Ethonol fron Corn is already used as an additive in some states where lobbyist have had it required. The industry has also said they could produce as much as needed. The Farm Land is there to do it, it's renewable (i.e. replaceable easily). I don't see why they don't try it.

Like everything else in the US, it's a very political game between high profile lobbyist for both the corn farmers (who are heavily subsidized) and the oil lobbyist -- who are subsized it other ways ... Ah well.

But, I also agree -- if you're gonna be an enviromentalist -- go the whole nine yards. Otherwise you're just eco-friendly when it's convenient. (This isn't an attack against Decipher, since he said he'd convert to Hydroge, just a general statement).

 

i'd go a step further and say if you dont walk or ride a bike then all their environmental preaching is BS. then again all these environmentalists are the same people that protest for every cause just depends on what week it is. I actually saw a job posting for "activist" in the Dallas Morning News. So basically they get paid to protest the topic of the week. losers

 

environmentalists are dangerous! in Redwood City, CA, theyll shoot out your windiws if you have an SUV. really, this happened to a dude i know.

 

Funny, most liberals hate guns too

 

All of the American car manufacturers have been making ethanol capable cars for at least the past 5 years (if not more). Just that alot of consumers don't know that they have one and if they did, don't know where the can fuel it at. To know if you have a vehicle that is capable of running alternative fuels look for a sticker marked with "FFV" Flex Fuel Vehicle. The sticker is usually located on the inside of the fuel door, under the hood, or in the doorjam. Sometimes all of the above. The vehicles that are usually marked this way are the manufacterers mainstream vehicles. For Ford that would be the Taurus or F-150.
The biggest problem with Alternate fuels is that they are usually more expensive that gas. The reason for that being there isn't much of a demand for them, but I think thats due to the fact that the public generally doesn't know about it.
Now, as far as using land to grow corn, the government already pays farmers money NOT to grow wheat, because we already produce more wheat than can be consumed / exported per year. Anyone ever heard of crop rotation? Again, the public doesn't know about it, so no one wants to impliment any large scale operations because theres no demand for it that would justify the cost.

 

I like Evil's post above, everyone acts like oil is some magic substance from outter space.

 

Guys, stay on topic or start a new thread.

 

I recycle everything I can, but I wouldn't pass a sniffer test :P