For those of you who said we could never see a '65 sized Mustang again...(FT-86/FR-S)
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For those of you who said we could never see a '65 sized Mustang again...(FT-86/FR-S)
I've heard people say that it would be impossible to have a '65-sized Mustang again due to ever increasing crash standards . But here's some food for thought:
2012 Subaru BRZ/Toyota gt-86
length: 167 inches (4240 mm)
height: 50.6 inches (1285 mm)
width: 70 inches (1775 mm)
wheelbase: 101 inches
weight : 2689 lbs
197 hp (gt86) 200hp(brz)
1965 Ford Mustang
length: 181.6 inches
height: 51 inches
width : 68 inches
wheelbase: 108 inches
curb weight: 2556 - 2606lbs
101 - 271 hp
1987-93 Mustang
length: 179.6 inches
height: 52 inches
Width: 68.3 inches
Wheelbase: 100.5 inches
Curb-weight: 2754-3350 lbs
88 - 235 hp
2012 Subaru BRZ/Toyota gt-86
length: 167 inches (4240 mm)
height: 50.6 inches (1285 mm)
width: 70 inches (1775 mm)
wheelbase: 101 inches
weight : 2689 lbs
197 hp (gt86) 200hp(brz)
1965 Ford Mustang
length: 181.6 inches
height: 51 inches
width : 68 inches
wheelbase: 108 inches
curb weight: 2556 - 2606lbs
101 - 271 hp
1987-93 Mustang
length: 179.6 inches
height: 52 inches
Width: 68.3 inches
Wheelbase: 100.5 inches
Curb-weight: 2754-3350 lbs
88 - 235 hp
Last edited by Vermillion06; 11/30/11 at 11:23 AM.
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#6
Ford could easily build a mustang that small if it only had a 200 hp 4 banger.
Let's see if the brz/gt-86 chassis can handle a 650hp 5.8L V8 w/o significant modification. The mustang truly does need to be a bigger car, however there is always room for improvement
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But the height and width are within 1-2 inches of the '65 and fox body and the new Toyota/Subaru is also a 2+2.
A new Mustang design the same height/width as the brz with 12 inches of length added for v8 room and a 107" wheelbase would give us a car the same size as the '65 and Fox body and would probably shed a few hundred pounds from the current Mustang design. It would basically go back to its roots as a pony car.
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I've heard people say that it would be impossible to have a '65-sized Mustang again due to ever increasing crash standards . But here's some food for thought:
2012 Subaru BRZ/Toyota gt-86
length: 167 inches (4240 mm)
height: 50.6 inches (1285 mm)
width: 70 inches (1775 mm)
wheelbase: 101 inches
weight : 2689 lbs
197 hp (gt86) 200hp(brz)
1965 Ford Mustang
length: 181.6 inches
height: 51 inches
width : 68 inches
wheelbase: 108 inches
curb weight: 2556 - 2606lbs
101 - 271 hp
1987-93 Mustang
length: 179.6 inches
height: 52 inches
Width: 68.3 inches
Wheelbase: 100.5 inches
Curb-weight: 2754-3350 lbs
88 - 235 hp
2012 Subaru BRZ/Toyota gt-86
length: 167 inches (4240 mm)
height: 50.6 inches (1285 mm)
width: 70 inches (1775 mm)
wheelbase: 101 inches
weight : 2689 lbs
197 hp (gt86) 200hp(brz)
1965 Ford Mustang
length: 181.6 inches
height: 51 inches
width : 68 inches
wheelbase: 108 inches
curb weight: 2556 - 2606lbs
101 - 271 hp
1987-93 Mustang
length: 179.6 inches
height: 52 inches
Width: 68.3 inches
Wheelbase: 100.5 inches
Curb-weight: 2754-3350 lbs
88 - 235 hp
05-09 Mustang
Length: 187.6
Height: 54.4
Width: 73.9
Wheelbase: 107.1
Curb Weight: 3352
240-500+ hp
Overall the S197 platform is not much larger than the earlier cars, the issue is weight. Can they get the weight of the next gen down under 3k lbs? I doubt it when you are talking 600hp+ V-8's. Keeping in mind that even a 4cyl or 6cyl version would have the same chassis, as it would be two costly to build two different chassis for the same product name.
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Yes, being designed for a flat 4 engine probably has a lot to do with the brz/gt-86 being about 12 inches shorter than the original Mustang and the Fox Mustang.
But the height and width are within 1-2 inches of the '65 and fox body and the new Toyota/Subaru is also a 2+2.
A new Mustang design the same height/width as the brz with 12 inches of length added for v8 room and a 107" wheelbase would give us a car the same size as the '65 and Fox body and would probably shed a few hundred pounds from the current Mustang design. It would basically go back to its roots as a pony car.
But the height and width are within 1-2 inches of the '65 and fox body and the new Toyota/Subaru is also a 2+2.
A new Mustang design the same height/width as the brz with 12 inches of length added for v8 room and a 107" wheelbase would give us a car the same size as the '65 and Fox body and would probably shed a few hundred pounds from the current Mustang design. It would basically go back to its roots as a pony car.
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interesting comparison shot
Height really stands out here. The FT-86 (now known as BRZ/GT-86) is less than half an inch lower than a '65 Mustang (i.e. roughly the same height).
The Genesis is roughly the same length as a '65 Mustang
Height really stands out here. The FT-86 (now known as BRZ/GT-86) is less than half an inch lower than a '65 Mustang (i.e. roughly the same height).
The Genesis is roughly the same length as a '65 Mustang
Last edited by Vermillion06; 11/30/11 at 04:25 PM.
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Just for fun:
05-09 Mustang
Length: 187.6
Height: 54.4
Width: 73.9
Wheelbase: 107.1
Curb Weight: 3352
240-500+ hp
Overall the S197 platform is not much larger than the earlier cars, the issue is weight. Can they get the weight of the next gen down under 3k lbs? I doubt it when you are talking 600hp+ V-8's. Keeping in mind that even a 4cyl or 6cyl version would have the same chassis, as it would be two costly to build two different chassis for the same product name.
05-09 Mustang
Length: 187.6
Height: 54.4
Width: 73.9
Wheelbase: 107.1
Curb Weight: 3352
240-500+ hp
Overall the S197 platform is not much larger than the earlier cars, the issue is weight. Can they get the weight of the next gen down under 3k lbs? I doubt it when you are talking 600hp+ V-8's. Keeping in mind that even a 4cyl or 6cyl version would have the same chassis, as it would be two costly to build two different chassis for the same product name.
I think you're right on not being able to get weight down under 3000lbs. But I figure 3300-3400 for a v8 could be done with a '65 /fox body sized car.
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Of course if it was smaller and 1000 lbs lighter, it wouldn't NEED a 650hp 5.8L V8 to get the performance we are now accustomed to