scion/toyota and subaru are releasing rwd sport cars. the toyota/scion concept has been shown, but the subaru has yet to be released!
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/04/20/n...-really-sweet/

 

Love the concept/idea of this car but from a styling standpoint the car is just trying way to hard. Somthing that Japanese stylist have always struggled with. They don't know how to do bold yet subtle.

 

At some angles it looks really good, at others notsomuch. I'm also concerned about real-world performance. The original Scion Tc looked fairly sporty (for a Toyota product at that time) but had no real performance chops. With this "Sciobaru" I've seen speculation that the Subie variant will have the juice and the Toyota/Scion will be the "volume" model, with watered-down power. You can't put something out styled that aggressively and have it not perform, the market will never give you a second chance to get it right.

 

I'm pretty excited to see what this will actually be like. I can't wait

 

Some RX8 stuff going on in the fenders. Looks interesting. I think.

 

Less'see IIRC its gonna have around 175hp so if say Toyota wanted to beat the V6 Mustang all around at the performance game, it would have to have a curb weight somewhere under 2000 pounds and I cant see this car with anything less than a weight just slightly less than 3000 pounds (maybe 2600-2700 pounds if they are really really dilligent). Handling and braking might be pretty good and the RWD setup will certainly make it entertaining but the RX8 embodies those same attributes and look at its general reception; Great handling but woefully underpowered for a sportscar.

At say 2900 pounds it would need somewhere around 260 hp to be on an even keel with the V6 Mustang 0-60 and 1/4-mile wise.

Somebody should beat the product planners over at Toyota with a sack of fresh potatos until they get it.

 

Actually, from what I read last in Jalopnik it was 197 to the rear wheels. So Probably around 220 at the crank. I just wish they would be smart with this. Offer the 200+ Hp model, then go Turbo and offer around 300 Hp, make it a better car to drive than the Genesis and you really have a product. I know everyone will be let down by this unless they are really holding back on us. Subaru knows not of Economy when it comes to performance to people need both. The Subaru will look like a horses *** but will run like a champ. The Toyota will look great but run like a mule. IDIOTS! We can and should be able to have our cake and eat it too. Sub 3000lbs, Boxer engine, around 300 Hp, FT-86 styling and all would be gravy. I'm not asking for a super-car, I'm just asking for a super, car.

My Civic has not even 200 hp and it's very fun to drive, it's light and cart like. But look on paper, it's not all that fast. But I'd love to have it in a RWD platform. I also want about an extra 60 Hp. The Golf R will be here soon and it's going to start an arms race. Please be prepared Subyota. Because it's time to get serious.

That picture though, man I like those tyres.

 

Lotus bred RX-8 with a 370z that played around too much

Combine those three thats what u get.


370z window/sloping roofline
RX-8 Sides/wheel hub things
Lotus front end for sure


Altho, im kinda in love with styling. I hope this comes out sooon

 

original deal with toyota/subaru was that toyota would sell it exclusively in japan, and subaru could sell it world wide. Code name for it is the FT-86. Subaru is to have a STI version of the car, or were just testing it.

We will see, this is been in the works for a few years now..

 

Eta on actual release? 2012 as in 2013 MY or....? Id skip a Mustang for this.....sorry guys

 

was 2011, then 12, then 13.. who knows when..

 

Lol so true....wel i hope its soon >

 

Even if the engine offered in the Toyota version is a turd, you can bet there will be more than a few people out there attempting to get them Sti-fied. Interested to see what the Subaru version looks like because I don't really care for what Toyota came up with - more O.G. 2000GT cues, less Scion "style" please. The new stuff makes me appreciate "old school JDM", at least they ripped off styling cues from better looking cars.

 

Its ok, kind of reminds me of the RX8's

 

camo mules!

 

these things will be flooding the streets no doubt, equipped with obnoxious fart cans to boot. Makes me kind of sad cuz it could be a cool car

 

Since I drive a Civic, I like to tell myself that the person inside of it is what makes it cool. I passed a Legacy sedan yesterday with straight pipes and it sounded like a Cessna, literally since it was nearly the exact same engine configuration. Plate said "TRY AGN". I was like "yep, take it back and try again, because this time you failed." It was insanely loud and obnoxious, my little straight 4 sounded so smooth. Still maybe not as smooth at my I6, but still super smooth none the less.

These will flood the streets though. And sound like a low flying aircraft. What would you expect from Subaru/Toyota enthusiasts?

 

I actually really like it, but as others have said, it will definitely need to get close to or surpass the 300hp mark. Lightweight with great handling is fine, but give that baby some juice too.

 

agreed x100.

I just know some of these cars will end up looking like the fiberglass tub craze from the first f&f movie lol

 

Some of the design cues and overall size of this could be taken into the next mustang. Weigh in around 2800-2900 pounds and stick a 325+ hp engine in it... Any of our photoshop gurus want to try and take this and make it into a stang?