Nissan GT-R: 0-60 in 3.3 seconds!
12/20/07, 05:17 PM
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As I'm an owner of 240z, you don't have to tell me about getting educated on Nissans..
. They were orginally Prince Skylines (~60-90 thundering horsepower!) before Prince merged with Nissan in the late '60s.
Skylines have always been a line of mostly low performance sedans, coupes, and wagons (like the US Ford Fairlane line or the Australian Falcon line, or even the Ford Escort family) with a high performance model (the GT-R) added later. This was true up until the '90s when the wagons were dropped and the sedans and coupes became more performance oriented. The current Skyline is sold as the G35 and G37 here in the US. There's still some debate as to whether the new GTR will be considered part of the Skyline family.
The Mustang, on the other hand, has always been a sporty car. So that's why the Skyline is not quite as "legendary".
It works both ways though. Try telling that to import lovers who think an S197 Mustang will crash and burn at the first sharp turn in the road because "American cars only go fast in a straight line" and that the "gas guzzler" V8 still has pushrods, and "All American cars are junk".
. They were orginally Prince Skylines (~60-90 thundering horsepower!) before Prince merged with Nissan in the late '60s.Skylines have always been a line of mostly low performance sedans, coupes, and wagons (like the US Ford Fairlane line or the Australian Falcon line, or even the Ford Escort family) with a high performance model (the GT-R) added later. This was true up until the '90s when the wagons were dropped and the sedans and coupes became more performance oriented. The current Skyline is sold as the G35 and G37 here in the US. There's still some debate as to whether the new GTR will be considered part of the Skyline family.
The Mustang, on the other hand, has always been a sporty car. So that's why the Skyline is not quite as "legendary".
It works both ways though. Try telling that to import lovers who think an S197 Mustang will crash and burn at the first sharp turn in the road because "American cars only go fast in a straight line" and that the "gas guzzler" V8 still has pushrods, and "All American cars are junk".
12/20/07, 05:26 PM
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Quarter: 11.6 @ 121 MPH. Blows the Z06 and Porsche 911 Turbo away - for about the same money as the Z06.
Quarter: 11.6 @ 121 MPH. Blows the Z06 and Porsche 911 Turbo away - for about the same money as the Z06.
12/20/07, 07:26 PM
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As you are well aware there are those that get upset at internet racing and heaven forbid you tell them there car is inferior . . . i.e., they have a 'complex'. Which I assume was Boomer's point.
12/20/07, 07:41 PM
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I Know your statement wasn't directed at me, but I'm not bothered by performance ability. There is always someone faster. Oh sure I have criteria and benchmarks for my specific car and like to test that vs. other makes/models, but I'm not going to get upset when some car (with driver) that has greater performance beats me at the track.
As you are well aware there are those that get upset at internet racing and heaven forbid you tell them there car is inferior . . . i.e., they have a 'complex'. Which I assume was Boomer's point.
As you are well aware there are those that get upset at internet racing and heaven forbid you tell them there car is inferior . . . i.e., they have a 'complex'. Which I assume was Boomer's point.
I do, however, think it's embarrassing when our cars get beaten by vehicles like this, vehicles that any Mustang GT OUGHT to be able to easily outperform by virtue of category, status and birthright.
12/20/07, 08:02 PM
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One cannot realistically get upset if their Mustang GT gets bested by the GT-R. The GT-R is superior in every mechanical and technological respect...with a price to match.
I do, however, think it's embarrassing when our cars get beaten by vehicles like this, vehicles that any Mustang GT OUGHT to be able to easily outperform by virtue of category, status and birthright.
I do, however, think it's embarrassing when our cars get beaten by vehicles like this, vehicles that any Mustang GT OUGHT to be able to easily outperform by virtue of category, status and birthright.
All things considered I think the Mustang did quite well in their make-shift test and don't think it is a poor reflection that "they" tested the Mustang with lesser numbers. It's not like the STi has 150hp and won.
(I'd be ****ed though if I lost to one at the drag strip . . . . but giving those numbers it wouldn't be an issue.
Might not even be an issue at a road course . . . unless it was wet.)
12/20/07, 08:32 PM
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the 2+2 feature is useless in this car, there isnt any room in the back seats for even groceries. Ive sat in one and with the seat shoved all the way back I still band my knees on the steering wheel
and Id still like to see it go up against the Z06. from the sounds of it without the computer basically driving the car its falls into a much more normal category which would be more realistic to expect from the HP/weight stats. I bet if you put a pro driver in a Z06 or 997TT it would match or best the computer of the GTR.
and Id still like to see it go up against the Z06. from the sounds of it without the computer basically driving the car its falls into a much more normal category which would be more realistic to expect from the HP/weight stats. I bet if you put a pro driver in a Z06 or 997TT it would match or best the computer of the GTR.
12/21/07, 01:31 AM
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Otherwise, all this oooooing and awwwwing about the hi-po, iconic American muscle car with its drag strip prowess and "get out of my way" looks (get out of who's way, exactly?) means utterly nothing - not when an Itsy-boo-boo can offer better overall performance.
It's embarrassing.
Bottom line: Ford needs to invest in utilizing the same sort of modern technologies as other manufacturers that will give the next Stang more power and superior dynamics so that stupid Internet magazine contests like this will no longer BE a contest.
12/21/07, 05:00 AM
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I guess my point in all of this is that no American MUSCLE car - much less a Shelby - ought to be running neck-and-neck with a blown, 4-banger econo-based rice rocket. It's shameful that the 4-banger Subie had enough performance to show up an 8-cylinder Mustang, IMHO.
Otherwise, all this oooooing and awwwwing about the hi-po, iconic American muscle car with its drag strip prowess and "get out of my way" looks (get out of who's way, exactly?) means utterly nothing - not when an Itsy-boo-boo can offer better overall performance.
It's embarrassing.
Bottom line: Ford needs to invest in utilizing the same sort of modern technologies as other manufacturers that will give the next Stang more power and superior dynamics so that stupid Internet magazine contests like this will no longer BE a contest.
Otherwise, all this oooooing and awwwwing about the hi-po, iconic American muscle car with its drag strip prowess and "get out of my way" looks (get out of who's way, exactly?) means utterly nothing - not when an Itsy-boo-boo can offer better overall performance.
It's embarrassing.
Bottom line: Ford needs to invest in utilizing the same sort of modern technologies as other manufacturers that will give the next Stang more power and superior dynamics so that stupid Internet magazine contests like this will no longer BE a contest.
However, as you are well aware it is nice to have options in the marketplce and the Mustang may own and deserve its iconic status, but that alone shouldn't make it untouchable from a performance standpoint. But perhaps . . . . . If FMC got their act together they could bump the Mustang up a performance notch, and utilize others to fight these 'lesser' turbo 4 cretins, i.e., the 300hp AWD Focus RS, or at least a hi-po, AWD Fusion . . . . .
12/21/07, 10:12 AM
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Someone saying someone else has a 'complex' doesn't necessarily make it so, anymore than an internet magazine's road test is an iron clad benchmark.
I guess my point in all of this is that no American MUSCLE car - much less a Shelby - ought to be running neck-and-neck with a blown, 4-banger econo-based rice rocket. It's shameful that the 4-banger Subie had enough performance to show up an 8-cylinder Mustang, IMHO.
Otherwise, all this oooooing and awwwwing about the hi-po, iconic American muscle car with its drag strip prowess and "get out of my way" looks (get out of who's way, exactly?) means utterly nothing - not when an Itsy-boo-boo can offer better overall performance.
It's embarrassing.
Bottom line: Ford needs to invest in utilizing the same sort of modern technologies as other manufacturers that will give the next Stang more power and superior dynamics so that stupid Internet magazine contests like this will no longer BE a contest.
I guess my point in all of this is that no American MUSCLE car - much less a Shelby - ought to be running neck-and-neck with a blown, 4-banger econo-based rice rocket. It's shameful that the 4-banger Subie had enough performance to show up an 8-cylinder Mustang, IMHO.
Otherwise, all this oooooing and awwwwing about the hi-po, iconic American muscle car with its drag strip prowess and "get out of my way" looks (get out of who's way, exactly?) means utterly nothing - not when an Itsy-boo-boo can offer better overall performance.
It's embarrassing.
Bottom line: Ford needs to invest in utilizing the same sort of modern technologies as other manufacturers that will give the next Stang more power and superior dynamics so that stupid Internet magazine contests like this will no longer BE a contest.
The STi is the pinnacle of Subaru performance; it's their top dog;the Shelby GT is not Ford's top performance car.
The STi can also beat the 350z, the RX8, the G37,and the S2000, but they didn't have it compete with those cars. Why? Because comparing it to those Japanese cars would have been boring and not stirred up as much controversy. It's all about getting page hits to show to their advertisers.
As someone else said in another thread on this article, Ford sells more Mustangs in a year than all the Subarus combined. They must being doing something right. They should continue to keep the Mustang fresh and appealing to the greatest number of buyers.
12/25/07, 11:02 PM
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http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ecs_price.html
Sure it's great in 0-60... but how many time are you going do a 6000 rpm clutch dump in an AWD car?
Don't get me wrong... the GT-R is an amazing car! It's just that Nissan and all the fanboys are gunning for my favorite car... so I have to defend it...
12/25/07, 11:18 PM
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Booya... and Nissan just hit a home run. It's targetted at all the video game dorks who are crap drivers in real life but will put off their retirement by 20 years just to own the car of their video game dreams.
Eh, that was kinda mean... I'd take it back if it didn't make me chuckle a little bit.
Like others have said, I'd like to see it go up against a Z06 with decent tires and pro drivers piloting both around a road course. I'm still having a hard time believing that technology can trump physics (more hp / less weight) and experience.
Eh, that was kinda mean... I'd take it back if it didn't make me chuckle a little bit.
Like others have said, I'd like to see it go up against a Z06 with decent tires and pro drivers piloting both around a road course. I'm still having a hard time believing that technology can trump physics (more hp / less weight) and experience.
12/25/07, 11:29 PM
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I do, however, think it's embarrassing when our cars get beaten by vehicles like this, vehicles that any Mustang GT OUGHT to be able to easily outperform by virtue of category, status and birthright.
That embarrasing review shouldn't even have been possible if it weren't for the $40k Shelby atrocity.
12/26/07, 01:28 PM
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12/26/07, 03:22 PM
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12/26/07, 04:14 PM
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Hard launches? You can do them, but you can still fry the clutch! I can't remember if its EVO or CAR magazine. These are U.K based publications (and awesome mags). One of their "fleet cars" for a long term test (i.e a year) was a Murcielago. Jethro, the fellow who was driving it, had to get the clutch replaced, as eventually it got fried with I believe 25,000 on it. Can't remember right here at work. I have the issue at home somewhere.
12/26/07, 04:16 PM
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