EleanorsMine

They are UNWRECKABLE!

Trust me-

in two years I had my dad get ticked at me for telling him " if this was a mustang you wouldn't be working on it right now" and throwing my keys in the lake...Funny now, but back then....whoo I was 17 and had some supercool stuff on my keys..

Tore out the exhaust system...

I sold it for $1,000 the day I graduated.

The Deviant One

Well, not exactly better performance. Why would anyone pay over $30,000 for Z28 (310 hp) when for for much less you can get Mach 1 with same performance. Or why would anyone pay $34,000 for SS (320 hp) when for same price you can get SVT Cobra (390 hp).

On the top of that, neither Camaro or Firebird didn't had car that could compete with Mustang GT (with price or performance). Ford offered Mustang for anyone's price range (V6 at $18,000, GT at $24,000, Mach 1 at $29,000, and Cobra at $33,000) while Camaro and Firebird had V6 at $18,000 and then Z28 and Trans Am at $30,000.

But I have to disagree that Firebird is ugly. Especially 1998-2002 model. I love that car.



And for Camaro ... yeah, it was ugly. Only Camaro I like is 1977-1981 model.

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Whoa!!! Dude...sorry to burst your bubble, but it looks like you're way off! You might have some good points as far as the price comparos, but you have to remember the fact that when the f-bodies were still around in 2001-2002, the Mach 1 and 03 Cobra weren't even out yet. During this time, the closest thing Ford had to a hot ride to compete with the Z28 and Formula, besides the GT was the Bullitt and it only made 5+hp more than the GT. On the high end to compete with the SS(325hp) and Trans-Am (345hp) was the 01 Cobra (320hp). The 390hp 03 Cobra was only a test mule at this time and the Mach 1 was still a concept. So...at this point, the F-bodies ruled the pony car market. Now, however, its a different story and there are no competitions from GM, except the Vette and GTO, but not directly since they are not in the same class and market as the Mustang.

I find it kinda ironic how Ford came out with the Mach 1 and 03 Cobra at the last minute just when it seemed that the f-bods were getting faster, but obsolete. Also at the same time when GM caught wind about the Mach and Cobra coming the same time they were phasing out the Camaro and Firebird from production, they didn't even think about putting up one good last fight with their final production SE's. Instead, rather than boosting power and performance for the SS and Trans-Am in the last year of production, they just decided to offer the Anniversary editions with silly sticker packages.

BTW...I like the'98-02 Trans-Ams the best, but the Formula is better since it offers similar performance with out the "look at me, I'm fast" attitide of the Trans-Am body kits. Also, Gen 2 and 3 Camaro's are the ugliest Camaro's (even Firebirds) ever!!!Yuk!!! 1st and 4th Gens are the best looking always! I'll take a '97 4th gen Camaro with the SS package and LT-4 engine over that anyday!

captin kapla

I'd say the new BMW M5 is the most lame car for 05.

The new M5 is the FIRST M car ever made that is not available with a real manual tranny. (It has those paddle shifters that every teenager w/ a driver's license could use).

It is not hand-built like the first two generation BMW M5s which were made at the BMW Motorsport factory.

The interior is neither sporty nor luxurious.

The engine bay looks boring and screams cheap with the plastic engine cover.

The tail lights look like a Kia Rio's tail lights.
The grille looks like a Pontiac's grille.



Here is an 04 525i with 16s. It costs $40,000 and u get 16s?! The 05 525i has the same weak 184 hp w/ 181 lb-ft of torque for $43,000!!



Kia Rio taillights



Non-driver oriented interior



Pontiac grille