Looks great..although the mirrors stalks look a bit tall
I even like the rims

 

Not feelin the wheels

 

or the mirrors

 

I think they keep covering the back because they want to "surprise everyone when they reveal it has 4 doors.

Still Looks pretty nice from what you can see.

 

This car looks FAR more impressive than the Camaro IMHO.

 

you can say that again

2009 camaro: the hottest car on a computer that looks horrible in person.

 

The camaro should be at this point if it were to be ready by 09, but they don't even have a single mule...Every design aspect has to be changed to be a production car, so who knows what that paper tiger will end up being in 2011. The challenger is ready, not crazy about the gigantic wagon wheels, but looks like it will be a cool car Probably needed the mirrors extended a bit to clear the hips.

 

and you have seen the camaro where?

 

people forget... this

is = to this.

 

Funny enough after going back to the concept Mustang, I really don't like it all that much anymore. The camaro concept figure: an entirely different roofline height, dump the mirrors, bulk up the bumpers and make the lights legal, and add production wheel package and gaps, and packaging a powertrain and realistic storage/trunk space-Even if GM all of a sudden changed how they execute new product launches, I don't see the concept translating into a must-have product. Then again, I don't see anything that great about the concept to start with. Looks more like a design school project rather then a manufacturer's concept. The Mustang 03 show car was built AFTER the 197 platform was all but finalized already. The concept Challenger was already using existing parts and interior components, it was almost a production-capeable car when they showed it the first time.

 

I actually recently saw a picture of the s197 platform that was taken in 2002. looked very similar to the car that is in my driveway today. The concept was def. an afterthought.

 

Its called the Auto Show circuit. He's talking about the concept car, when he said looks great on computer but horrible in person. Its just too stinking big!!!

 

I know he was...but that is not the real car so how can he pass judgent?

 

First S197 in '04 at the Philly auto show: people 6 deep all the way around the car, took 2 hours to get near it and get a picture.

Camaro Concept at '06 Philly auto show: Walked right up, touched it, saw it..nice car much better than previous Camaro. No where NEAR the CROWDS that were gathered around the Mustang.

I predict sub 60,000 sales for first year regardless of price/perf.

Oh, and as for the Challenger, all 25,000 hardcore MOPAR fans will probably want one. I'm not sure how many of them will be able to afford it, but Mustang sales will continue to dwarf both of these IMO.

 

Looking great! The designers nailed it.

 

No doubt you're right, and no doubt it'll be priced higher than the S197...I'd venture to say a V8 version will be in the neighborhood of $33k, based on what a 5.7L Hemi'd Charger goes for, and probably $37k for the 6.1L hemi'd one...

 

Oh at least. It will be a more expensive car as it's a full-size car with two doors.

Funny, Hemming's had a feature on the styling of the 1970 Challenger this month talking about all the work that went into the front end to 'shrink' what was a full-size car to look like a pony car. There was a lot of trickery and use of shapes and material colors/textures to make a monster of a car look smaller. They couldn't downsize it and still fit the Hemi so they built it full-size for what was ironically the least used motor combination. It was completely based on the B body sedan, being only a touch smaller then the 4-door. Pretty interesting stuff. How history repeats itself.

People later complained that the Challenger got way too 'fat' in the following years when in reality it never changed in size, just how they handled the styling cues.

 

The concept IS the only car you can pass judgement on! And he was saying that the CONCEPT car looks horrible in person.

 

Actually the E- body is structuraly the same as a B-body from the firewall forward only. This was done primarily so that it would accept the entire line of engines that the B-body did.

So to say the E body is based entirely off the B-body is a bit of an overstatement to put it dipolmaticaly.

 

Translation: the price will be higher because there'l be less platform-common bits?

Edit: Oh, and I think he called: "caca de toro" on your statement, kevin....