Check these out:

http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/pr...intVersion=YES

Some of the dealer responses to the problems are simply amazing.

 

Toyota makes a POS truck. They've got a nice engine, but who cares when the platform is a cheap POS.

 

Except when that nice engine has sub-standard pieces in its valvetrain, then it doesn't even have that.

 

Ford needs to make a bigger deal of this

http://www.youtube.com/v/zRfE_XAk2mE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWjTbiYo3x0

 

Par for the course. Toyota quality is a myth as far as I am concerned. Speaking of the poor quality of their trucks, you could own one of their FJ Cruisers with sheetmetal that is ripping apart.

http://www.fjcruiserforums.com/forum...body-rips.html

 

I did read that on another site. Toyota's response is if you take your FJ off road its the owners fault. Some owners haven't taken them off the pavement and the body panels are tearing in half. POS!!!

 

Majic Brakes? I want some of those!! Wait, they didn't work...so I don't want them anymore.

 

I believe Toyota is a victim of their own success. There was a time when they made excellent vehicles but they've been so focused on being the biggest automaker in the world that they've forsaken quality.

 

Toyota's quality is waaaay overrated.

 

I've had no issues with my '03 Tacoma Pre-Runner, but I don't go off roading as its not a 4x4.

 

Tacoma, 4runner, and Sienna are all excellent products from Toyota. Others are ok but incredibly outdated and engineered to the bare minimums to 'make the grade' publicly. Not $1 is spent if it is not needed. Some like the Tundra and Sequoia are outright poor.

The new Tundra has certain pieces sized to get the spec bragging rights, but are weak in other areas, i.e. large rotor diameter, but thin rotor, small hats, and minute caliper mounts. Leaf springs are narrower then the rangers, frame still has rivets in areas with no through-welded crossmembers(all T-joints with 1" welds). A ford has the crossmembers go completely through the frame, fully welded around the entire joint on both sides, about 8-10 times a strong. Most hardware on the Tundra is undersized. Toyota will trim down every extra thread on hardware. As long as it passes the static crash tests well, the engineering ends there. Build D/Engine B+

F-150 suffers only from being overbuilt(heavy), as the Hurricane was supposed to be out in 2004, just as the 500 was supposed to come out in 03 with the D35. Both vehicle are massively overbuilt but just didn't have the engines they were designed to use at introduction, so they're slow. You could take out 2/3 of the welds in the F150 frame and still come out several times stronger then the Tundra frame. If you get the chance, check out an F150 on a lift sometime and look how huge the welds and gussets are in the frame, you would think they intended to put a 900hp diesel in the thing....Every single joint is completely welded, most are double welded. The extra several hundred pounds in the F-series over the Tundra/Titan came from something, its called steel. build A+/engine C+

Titan is a copy of the F-series design but all materials are thinner/smaller with less attention to detail on the welding and size of mounting/support brackets. Still a much better truck then the Tundra. Body steel is still much thinner and the hardware much smaller then the big 3's trucks. Build C/engine B+

The new GM truck line is very good as well, a bit smaller in the front perches and suspension components then the F150, but still very good. Still has the infamous shortcomings of its relatively crude front cab design with half the components of the F's body. But not bad for the normal user. The last generation of GM's 1500 trucks were better then the last gen of the Ford's(not 2500+) Basically is a re-engineered version of the old truck, so a little behind the times in the tech department but reliable. Build B/engine A+

Dodge's frame is just as strong as the F-series and very well built. Suspension is still a little crude and bushings and joints are a little underbuilt. Good components with a bit of underengineering and shortcutting. Brakes are a little weak. Overall a very good truck. Interiors and fit and finish of the body are much better in its newest form. Drastic improvement over the trucks from just a few years ago.

Build C+/Engine B+



Tacoma on the other hand is an excellent product, best small pickup truck you can buy. The 4Runner is outdated by the numbers, but build quality is very good. If you don't need the 3rd row seat and are not a total tech-head, its a good solid buy. FJ cruiser is downright scary. Last gen 4runner shortened, tons of plastic on the exterior, interior is the cheapest use of materials I have seen in a modern Toyota, its like the Scion TC's hard crappy plastics with bad parting lines. Very small components where it counts like tie rod ends, ball joints, and A-arm mounts. On BON there is a guy who works at a local auction with dozens of roll-over vehicle photos as well.

 

Here are the official complaints filed regarding the FJ Cruiser:

http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/pr...intVersion=YES

 

looks like crap, built like crap - oh what a feeling...

 

Oh my god...

That is ridiculous! Parking brakes that won't help the truck stayy still, regular brakes that dont stop the truck... and another truck that tears itself apart.. for no good reason!

I am lost as to how these things sell...

 

Because it has one of these on the grill:



People have been conditioned to think Toyota can do no wrong.

 

Hey, that sounds like my Fox Mustang... maybe Toyota borrowed Ford's beancounters?

 

Hmm.... Interesting read. I honestly can't say I've seen that many on the road in my neck of the woods, just a handful. That could be also from the truck market in general slowing down. Who knows.

 

To be fair, some of those complaints are asinine >>

You could make the same complaint of dozens of vehicle models out there. Gimmie a freakin' break.

Before the Toyota bashers get too excited, here are the [extensive] complaint results for the F-150 >>

http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/pr...intVersion=YES

 

Plus One!! Can't stand the sight of a Toyota and I won't let one in on the on ramp to the freeway either.

 

Like the F150 owner that complained his truck hydroplaned when he hit a water puddle at 55 mph?


The point of the thread is this: the "truck that's changing it all" isn't all that after all. The Tundra isn't any better than it's competitors and in some cases falls short.