http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...l1-test-review

Skimming through it now, but one thing stood out, 57k base price plus 1300 GG tax, and perhaps a moot point but the ZL1 is drag limited to 180 mph. 4.1 0-60 and so far 12.3 @ 119 mph

 

awful!!! thats what I would expect in 1998.. the steering wheel looks like the one from my rental hhr. its just getting sad.

 

They really let it get the GG tax? Idiots.

 

ZLOL1, camaro5 must be blowing it's top right now.

 

Yeah, that seems like a no-brainer. I would have thought that they could have avoided the GG tax. It will be good to see the complete specs on the car and compare the gearing, Cd, et al to the GT500. If gearng and Cd are comparable then weight is most likely the factor since both engines do not employ VVT or cylinder decativation.


Boss LS vs. ZL1 comparo
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...2_laguna_seca/

The MR dampers are a really nice feature on the ZL1 and counted alot toward its performance.

 

that's still the worst interior in the automotive world

 

I want to see the average camaro owner pronounce "magnetorheological damping" or use it in a complete sentence.

 

What's crazy is the power that these vehicles are putting out - ZL1 580hp and GT500 650 hp and yet the Porsche Turbo S is 520 hp and does 0-60 in 2.6 seconds.

yes i know the price diff is HUGE... and the porsche is AWD but my point is why the need for so much HP and not able to get awesome times because of traction.

btw i drove that turbo s and its amazing...i've never felt anything like it and i ride motorcycles. for a car to take off like that is just insane.

for the GT to do 4.4 secs and the GT500 3.7 secs with over 200 extra hp in it.

there comes a point where you have to much power to put to the street and not really worth it.

the power that these cars are making these days are just insane! sure will be a fun few years.

BTW i dont know who in their right mind would buy a camaro with that interior- seriously.

 

Yes, that is crazy. No 911 Turbo S is going to do a 2.6 second 0-60. More like 4.6 seconds 0-60 and a 12.7 second 1/4 mile. Even the GT3 RS 911 can only do a 3.2 second 0-60, and the Carrera Turbo is more like a 3.7 second 0-60.

And the difference in performance has little to do with price and a whole lot to do with weight.

ZL1 = 4,120 lbs
GT500 = 3,920 lbs
911 Turbo S = 3,461 lbs

 

You are aware that you almost answered your own question right? The Porsche has a highly sophisticated drive train with AWD and trick differentials. Weight balance and lightness is in the Porsche's favor as well. Why does a 88Hp bike go so fast? No.Brainer.

But I agree that these cars are getting more than enough power. But traction systems are the future and with great power comes great traction control responsibility.

 

From the Porsche website, Turbo S 0-60 3.1s

 

Yeah i know why porsche can lay down great numbers based on drivtrain- im just saying out loud that were limited by our RWD cars with traction. Im sure the shelby would lay down awesome numbers with slicks on it but with a street tire you can only do so much.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2113214

the porsche will do 2.6--2.7

at the end of the day if im only 1 sec behind a porsche thats 170k with my 55k shelby...i will have the biggest smile ever

 

thank goodnes the mustang isnt awd. it would not be a mustang if it was.

 

could you imagine a global mustang AWD lol... it might happen ya know.

 

 

Comes to show that at last the guys at the Camaro team got their sh*t together, Bravo! I really like it. Respect for the competition is one of the most important things and the ZL1 gets it without a doubt. Great job guys
Now its our turn...

 

 

I guess my 55 age is showing. I want to drive my car. I want to be a great driver that knows his machine - by sound and feel - quirks and all.
Whereas judging what gets the attention in the car world lately, it seems that new drivers want a spaceship type experience where they push some buttons and let the computer drive on semi-auto pilot while they lolly gag out the window or on their device.

I WANT communication with my machine. I WANT to be in charge of my car.
I WANT to throttle steer when I choose. Choosing and keeping a line from a combination of gear choice, rpm range, and throttle steer - not from a computer making choices for me.
I WANT to be a DRIVER - not a computer geek that pushes a pedal or button and then doesn't need to pay total attention because the "little box has got it". Might as well just play a video game.


And back in the day many NA guys would dis Ford's use of superchargers (me incl). I didn't see too much downplaying of Cam's supercharger vs the Boss' NA in this apples and oranges comparison. Yet the Boss was right on Camaro's heel even though NA was less powerful.

 

Hell I'm still upset because they took the throttle cables away. Lol

 

Is there a reason why Motor Trend always takes less-powerful and less-expensive Mustang when they compare it to the competition?

I remember when the Challenger came out - Motor Trend was comparing $47,000 425 hp Challenger SRT-8 vs $31,000 315 hp Mustang Bullitt instead of Shelby GT500.

Why are they comparing Camaro ZL1 to Boss 302 now and not Shelby GT500?