2010 Hyndai Genesis Coupe
Hyundai says sub 20k for the turbo four model and around 25k for the V6 powered version. However, the rumor mill is abuzz with doubts that Hyundai will actually be able to keep their promise as it relates to the four banger, and even if they do we can expect a 19,999 price tag that squeaks under the line. Also, I think 25k for the V6 model is pushing it for a car which is supposed to be a low cost alternative to the 350Z and Mustang GT. Even assuming the V6 model chimes in at 25k even both the Nissan and the Ford will be less than 3k more in base trim, and both will still offer more power than the Hyundai does. Cheaper? Yes. Cheap enough? I don't think so....not for what Hyundai is offering.
With everything going on in the world right now, I'm not shocked at all.
I am for two reasons. One, I doubt that Hyundai is feeling the squeeze like other manufacturers are when it comes to new CAFE standards if for no other reason than their dearth of hi-po and BOF SUV/truck models. Given that it would seem that a relatively low volume V8-powered coupe would be of little consequence as far as CAFE ratings are concerned. Further, I doubt the V6 model does much better in terms of hwy mpg than would a V8-powered model, because of this I also doubt cost of gas would cause much of an issue with sales
Of course Hyundai may not see things as I do regarding the above. And they obviously don't agree with me on the benefits of a V8 model.
Originally Posted by Hollywood_North GT
With everything going on in the world right now, I'm not shocked at all.
Of course Hyundai may not see things as I do regarding the above. And they obviously don't agree with me on the benefits of a V8 model.
Last edited by jsaylor; Mar 17, 2008 at 10:15 PM.
I think you are looking at this the wrong way. Regardless of what Hyundai thinks or says, this is the new 240sx. This is for people who want RWD, but don't want a convertable only. (Miata, S2000, MR2) These are going to be people the insurance company will laugh all the way to bank if they get a V8. As much as I love my GT, I know 300hp isn't something I need, so much as something I enjoy about my car. If people are just looking for the FE/RD layout, with good handling byt not much in the way of price, this might be thier goal. If Hyundai can actually keep the prices down, anyway.
Video . . .
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/b...640112822e.htm
Reminds me of a baby Infiniti G35/37.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/b...640112822e.htm
Reminds me of a baby Infiniti G35/37.
While not the purtiest thing to roll down the road, hardly the ugliest either. And if they do stick to a $20K/$25K pricing strategy for the I4 and V6, they may really have something here.
The V6 model especially has a touch more hp than the Stang GT, if a touch less torque. But add to that an extra cog in the tranny and a $5K 5-link IRS (well, at Ford Mustang costs at least) for free to work out the kinks in the road. Looks like they'll also offer a Brembo brake package which should give it better whoah power than the Stang GT.
While it might be tempting to be dismissive of the Genesis Coupe, it looks as if it may be a compelling competitor. And remember, Hyundai might just grow a pair of big ones and stick their new V8 in this thing if they want to really blow open the Pony Car market and put themselves on the map as truly serious performance car players.
The V6 model especially has a touch more hp than the Stang GT, if a touch less torque. But add to that an extra cog in the tranny and a $5K 5-link IRS (well, at Ford Mustang costs at least) for free to work out the kinks in the road. Looks like they'll also offer a Brembo brake package which should give it better whoah power than the Stang GT.
While it might be tempting to be dismissive of the Genesis Coupe, it looks as if it may be a compelling competitor. And remember, Hyundai might just grow a pair of big ones and stick their new V8 in this thing if they want to really blow open the Pony Car market and put themselves on the map as truly serious performance car players.
Last edited by rhumb; Mar 19, 2008 at 04:45 PM.
While not the purtiest thing to roll down the road, hardly the ugliest either. And if they do stick to a $20K/$25K pricing strategy for the I4 and V6, they may really have something here.
The V6 model especially has a touch more hp than the Stang GT, if a touch less torque. But add to that an extra cog in the tranny and a $5K 5-link IRS (well, at Ford Mustang costs at least) for free to work out the kinks in the road. Looks like they'll also offer a Brembo brake package which should give it better whoah power than the Stang GT.
While it might be tempting to be dismissive of the Genesis Coupe, it looks as if it may be a compelling competitor. And remember, Hyundai might just grow a pair of big ones and stick their new V8 in this thing if they want to really blow open the Pony Car market and put themselves on the map as truly serious performance car players.
The V6 model especially has a touch more hp than the Stang GT, if a touch less torque. But add to that an extra cog in the tranny and a $5K 5-link IRS (well, at Ford Mustang costs at least) for free to work out the kinks in the road. Looks like they'll also offer a Brembo brake package which should give it better whoah power than the Stang GT.
While it might be tempting to be dismissive of the Genesis Coupe, it looks as if it may be a compelling competitor. And remember, Hyundai might just grow a pair of big ones and stick their new V8 in this thing if they want to really blow open the Pony Car market and put themselves on the map as truly serious performance car players.
Pretty big downside, IMHO.
Hi everyone, I was just dropping in to see what other people are thinking about the Gen Coupe, especially seeing as how the Mustang is one of the target competitors in Hyundai's plans.
I figured I'll drop in a few specs about the car along with this video, a 2 minute commercial from Korea:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bIqobW_9jU
True, the pricing is still speculative, but as stated before, they're aiming at below 20k for the turbo I4 and around 25k for the v6. Hyundai used the Mustang, Altima Coupe, and Eclipse as benchmarks for market competition. When designing the car, Hyundai used the dimensions of the G35 as benchmarks; that awkward rear quarter window shape was the designer's "signature design element" on the car.
Both are standard with a 6-speed manual. Both have available 19" wheels to fit the Brembos (the 18" wheels don't have enough clearance). An LSD is optional in Korea but rumored to be standard for the US market. HID headlamps are also an option. It has a drag coefficient of 0.32. The mass of the car is slightly over 3400 lbs.
I don't know how much pressure the stock turbo is putting out, but the stock theta I4 is capable of tolerating up to 29 psi. Given the right tuning, this engine can be comparable to an Evo's. The turbo is gimped with respect to the V6 to leave incentive for consumers to choose the V6 and also to keep the price low to attract customers in the tuner market.
When they initally began to design the car, they planned on incorporating a turbo I4 and a v6 to maintain variety and keep the cost low. As such, they designed the weight balance of the car respectively. As of now, if they were to consider putting a V8 in, they would have to rework the weight balance so they have put that off until a demand may arise.
Due to a recent strike by the laborers in Hyundai's factories in Korea and a stipulation in their agrement, all Genesis Coupes are to be built in Korea.
Theta I4 Turbo 2.0L:
210 hp @ 6000 rpm
220 lb*ft @ 2000 rpm
10.6 km/L (at) ~ 25.4 mpg // 11.0 km/L (mt) ~ 26.31 mpg
0-100 km/h (0-62 mph): 8.5s
Lambda RS V6 3.8L:
303 hp @ 6300 rpm
266 lb*ft @ 4700 rpm
9.2 km/L (at) ~ 21.92 mpg / 10.0 km/L (mt) ~ 23.85 mpg
0-100 km/h (0-62.14 mph): 6.5s
*They don't use the same method in Korea that the EPA uses in US, hence a single fuel estimate.
My overall opinion is that pricewise, the Genesis will most closely rival the Mustang, however as far as looks go, it's closest competition will be against the Altima Coupe. The Eclipse fits in between as it's cheaper than the Altima but less tame compared to the Mustang with regard to styling. I seriously doubt that the Genesis Coupe will put any dent into the Mustang's market, but the Eclipse will probably suffer the most and the Altima Coupe probably as well. On paper, the Gen Coupe might look similar to a pony car. But a pony car, it definitely is not, imho. I love the looks of it, btw, except for that stupid grin on the front bumper.
I figured I'll drop in a few specs about the car along with this video, a 2 minute commercial from Korea:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bIqobW_9jU
True, the pricing is still speculative, but as stated before, they're aiming at below 20k for the turbo I4 and around 25k for the v6. Hyundai used the Mustang, Altima Coupe, and Eclipse as benchmarks for market competition. When designing the car, Hyundai used the dimensions of the G35 as benchmarks; that awkward rear quarter window shape was the designer's "signature design element" on the car.
Both are standard with a 6-speed manual. Both have available 19" wheels to fit the Brembos (the 18" wheels don't have enough clearance). An LSD is optional in Korea but rumored to be standard for the US market. HID headlamps are also an option. It has a drag coefficient of 0.32. The mass of the car is slightly over 3400 lbs.
I don't know how much pressure the stock turbo is putting out, but the stock theta I4 is capable of tolerating up to 29 psi. Given the right tuning, this engine can be comparable to an Evo's. The turbo is gimped with respect to the V6 to leave incentive for consumers to choose the V6 and also to keep the price low to attract customers in the tuner market.
When they initally began to design the car, they planned on incorporating a turbo I4 and a v6 to maintain variety and keep the cost low. As such, they designed the weight balance of the car respectively. As of now, if they were to consider putting a V8 in, they would have to rework the weight balance so they have put that off until a demand may arise.
Due to a recent strike by the laborers in Hyundai's factories in Korea and a stipulation in their agrement, all Genesis Coupes are to be built in Korea.
Theta I4 Turbo 2.0L:
210 hp @ 6000 rpm
220 lb*ft @ 2000 rpm
10.6 km/L (at) ~ 25.4 mpg // 11.0 km/L (mt) ~ 26.31 mpg
0-100 km/h (0-62 mph): 8.5s
Lambda RS V6 3.8L:
303 hp @ 6300 rpm
266 lb*ft @ 4700 rpm
9.2 km/L (at) ~ 21.92 mpg / 10.0 km/L (mt) ~ 23.85 mpg
0-100 km/h (0-62.14 mph): 6.5s
*They don't use the same method in Korea that the EPA uses in US, hence a single fuel estimate.
My overall opinion is that pricewise, the Genesis will most closely rival the Mustang, however as far as looks go, it's closest competition will be against the Altima Coupe. The Eclipse fits in between as it's cheaper than the Altima but less tame compared to the Mustang with regard to styling. I seriously doubt that the Genesis Coupe will put any dent into the Mustang's market, but the Eclipse will probably suffer the most and the Altima Coupe probably as well. On paper, the Gen Coupe might look similar to a pony car. But a pony car, it definitely is not, imho. I love the looks of it, btw, except for that stupid grin on the front bumper.
This could have been a game changer, instead it's a bit of a let down. The styling is odd in too many places with the 2002-2006 Tiburon proving to be a far better looking car IMO. Further, the car seems too big and heavy to make the available turbo four and 3.8L V6 engine choices as compelling as they should be. And I am still shocked that they decided to leave the very promising new V8 out of the mix. Factor in pricing which apparently isn't too far off that of established rivals and the reality is that Hyundai botched virtually every facet and/or feature of this car which could have made it a stand out.
I'm not impressed.
I'm not impressed.

The initial reports on this vehicle were truly exciting. It was going to be a looker, have a sick V8, and finally prove that Hyundai can really wreck some ish up. And now this? What the hell happened?
That signature rear quarter looks like the designer hiccup'd when drawing the line.
Not a fan of it, but otherwise the car looks like it has some new Accord in it and Altima Coupe in it...
If the 25k is for a 6.5 0-100... and 300/266,
people will probably spring for the Camaro v6 for that kind of money, or a Mustang GT (especially when you compare the 2010 to this now)
Needs the V8
Not a fan of it, but otherwise the car looks like it has some new Accord in it and Altima Coupe in it...
If the 25k is for a 6.5 0-100... and 300/266,
people will probably spring for the Camaro v6 for that kind of money, or a Mustang GT (especially when you compare the 2010 to this now)
Needs the V8
I'm not a big fan of the looks, but the specs look good on paper. Just needs a real world comparison between it's competitor's offerings. As posted before, they should have used a similar design of the current Tiburon, since it looks a thousand times better, or at least get rid of the silly quarter panel line and side window. Those two elements uglify it the most. I agree with the post that said it's like a new 240sx, but with more HP & TQ, the only thing that the US 240sx was critizied. But I wonder why the sedan version of the Genesis will get the 4.6L V8 and not the coupe
and not vice-versa? It's a dumb move if you ask me, look at the G8, for example, a FAILURE. Three engine options on the coupe would have been better; turbo 4, V6 & V8.
and not vice-versa? It's a dumb move if you ask me, look at the G8, for example, a FAILURE. Three engine options on the coupe would have been better; turbo 4, V6 & V8.
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