2007 Toyota Tundra
2/12/06 | 01:34 AM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(kevinb120 @ February 11, 2006, 8:06 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Pretty soon they may even get health care...
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Actually, that's not entirely true. Toyota does pay its employees health care benefits. One of the primary reasons that Toyota passed up building new plants in Alabama and Mississippi in favor of coming to Canada, was our taxpayer-funded health care system, which saved Toyota the $4 to $5 per hour per worker that they normally pay out in their U.S. operations.
I don't know how much you know about Japanese companies, but generally speaking, if you are a dedicated and hard working employee, Japanese companies tend to treat their workers VERY fairly, pay them reasonably well, and also value their input at all levels of the production cycle - the latter being something American corporations couldn't care less about anymore; though I read Bill Ford is working to change that.
On the other hand, there is no justification for the UAW mandating that a member who drives a car off the end of the assembly line to the holding lot should make $70K per year. That's ridiculous. For American automakers to live on, the UAW must die.
Pretty soon they may even get health care...
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Actually, that's not entirely true. Toyota does pay its employees health care benefits. One of the primary reasons that Toyota passed up building new plants in Alabama and Mississippi in favor of coming to Canada, was our taxpayer-funded health care system, which saved Toyota the $4 to $5 per hour per worker that they normally pay out in their U.S. operations.
I don't know how much you know about Japanese companies, but generally speaking, if you are a dedicated and hard working employee, Japanese companies tend to treat their workers VERY fairly, pay them reasonably well, and also value their input at all levels of the production cycle - the latter being something American corporations couldn't care less about anymore; though I read Bill Ford is working to change that.
On the other hand, there is no justification for the UAW mandating that a member who drives a car off the end of the assembly line to the holding lot should make $70K per year. That's ridiculous. For American automakers to live on, the UAW must die.
2/14/06 | 03:52 PM
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They are US auto workers - the Tundra and Tacoma are built in Kentucky. Without the Toyota plant, those guys might be working for half as much in a coal mine.
Touchy subject for me, the wife's family is from Kentucky coal country......
Touchy subject for me, the wife's family is from Kentucky coal country......
2/14/06 | 04:32 PM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BigDog @ February 14, 2006, 5:55 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
They are US auto workers - the Tundra and Tacoma are built in Kentucky. Without the Toyota plant, those guys might be working for half as much in a coal mine.
Touchy subject for me, the wife's family is from Kentucky coal country......
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The Tundra's built in Princeton, Indiana. The 2007 Tundra will be built in Indiana and the new plant in San Antonio, Texas.
As for the new generation Tundra, I just don't know... I have a 2005 Tundra double cab, and have had several Ford trucks, and the Tundra runs circles around all of them in quality, although it's not as powerful for towing, etc. The present Tundra's plenty big enough--it seats five people and carries lots of stuff in the 20" deep bed. And I actually like the fact that it's a tad narrower than the ford or Dodge--I can fit it through my 8' wide garage door unlike my F-150, which I had to fold one mirror. Of course at 19 feet long, it barely fits lengthwise. It also doesn't matter anymore since of course my new mustang has the garage now.
They are US auto workers - the Tundra and Tacoma are built in Kentucky. Without the Toyota plant, those guys might be working for half as much in a coal mine.
Touchy subject for me, the wife's family is from Kentucky coal country......
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The Tundra's built in Princeton, Indiana. The 2007 Tundra will be built in Indiana and the new plant in San Antonio, Texas.
As for the new generation Tundra, I just don't know... I have a 2005 Tundra double cab, and have had several Ford trucks, and the Tundra runs circles around all of them in quality, although it's not as powerful for towing, etc. The present Tundra's plenty big enough--it seats five people and carries lots of stuff in the 20" deep bed. And I actually like the fact that it's a tad narrower than the ford or Dodge--I can fit it through my 8' wide garage door unlike my F-150, which I had to fold one mirror. Of course at 19 feet long, it barely fits lengthwise. It also doesn't matter anymore since of course my new mustang has the garage now.
2/14/06 | 07:38 PM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(NHstang @ February 14, 2006, 5:35 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
I have a 2005 Tundra double cab, and have had several Ford trucks, and the Tundra runs circles around all of them in quality, although it's not as powerful for towing, etc.
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Isn't that the point of owning truck, for towing? What's the point of owning a truck if it can't tow a lot?
I have a 2005 Tundra double cab, and have had several Ford trucks, and the Tundra runs circles around all of them in quality, although it's not as powerful for towing, etc.
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Isn't that the point of owning truck, for towing? What's the point of owning a truck if it can't tow a lot?
2/15/06 | 09:07 AM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Red Star @ February 14, 2006, 9:41 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Isn't that the point of owning truck, for towing? What's the point of owning a truck if it can't tow a lot?
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Good point [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumb.gif[/img]
Isn't that the point of owning truck, for towing? What's the point of owning a truck if it can't tow a lot?
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Good point [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumb.gif[/img]
2/15/06 | 06:37 PM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Red Star @ February 14, 2006, 9:41 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Isn't that the point of owning truck, for towing? What's the point of owning a truck if it can't tow a lot?
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[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/headscratch.gif[/img] Huh? Well it does tow 6700lbs... I don't need a truck that tows 10000lbs (not many people do). Not everyone needs to haul around heavy equipment or 30-foot boats. And as for the point of owning a truck, they really do have a few more uses than towing, like hauling stuff in the bed. I have two houses to take care of and am often running to home depot and the dump. It's a perfect multi-use vehicle for me.
Isn't that the point of owning truck, for towing? What's the point of owning a truck if it can't tow a lot?
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[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/headscratch.gif[/img] Huh? Well it does tow 6700lbs... I don't need a truck that tows 10000lbs (not many people do). Not everyone needs to haul around heavy equipment or 30-foot boats. And as for the point of owning a truck, they really do have a few more uses than towing, like hauling stuff in the bed. I have two houses to take care of and am often running to home depot and the dump. It's a perfect multi-use vehicle for me.
2/15/06 | 09:46 PM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(NHstang @ February 15, 2006, 7:40 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/headscratch.gif[/img] Huh? Well it does tow 6700lbs... I don't need a truck that tows 10000lbs (not many people do). Not everyone needs to haul around heavy equipment or 30-foot boats. And as for the point of owning a truck, they really do have a few more uses than towing, like hauling stuff in the bed. I have two houses to take care of and am often running to home depot and the dump. It's a perfect multi-use vehicle for me.
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If you don't mind me asking, how much did you pay for your Tundra? I'm sure its a lot more than I paid for my F-150. I only got base SuperCab 4x4 version (XL). I don't tow anything heavy (towing capacity on my F-150 is 7,200 lbs), but its still nice to have that capacity, I might need it someday (my parents are planing to buy boat next summer).
Anyway, if you don't need truck for towing, why didn't you bought something smaller, like Tacoma for example? Tundra's and Tacoma's bed is pretty much the same size.
[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/headscratch.gif[/img] Huh? Well it does tow 6700lbs... I don't need a truck that tows 10000lbs (not many people do). Not everyone needs to haul around heavy equipment or 30-foot boats. And as for the point of owning a truck, they really do have a few more uses than towing, like hauling stuff in the bed. I have two houses to take care of and am often running to home depot and the dump. It's a perfect multi-use vehicle for me.
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If you don't mind me asking, how much did you pay for your Tundra? I'm sure its a lot more than I paid for my F-150. I only got base SuperCab 4x4 version (XL). I don't tow anything heavy (towing capacity on my F-150 is 7,200 lbs), but its still nice to have that capacity, I might need it someday (my parents are planing to buy boat next summer).
Anyway, if you don't need truck for towing, why didn't you bought something smaller, like Tacoma for example? Tundra's and Tacoma's bed is pretty much the same size.
2/16/06 | 02:42 PM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Red Star @ February 15, 2006, 11:49 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
If you don't mind me asking, how much did you pay for your Tundra? I'm sure its a lot more than I paid for my F-150. I only got base SuperCab 4x4 version (XL). I don't tow anything heavy (towing capacity on my F-150 is 7,200 lbs), but its still nice to have that capacity, I might need it someday (my parents are planing to buy boat next summer).
Anyway, if you don't need truck for towing, why didn't you bought something smaller, like Tacoma for example? Tundra's and Tacoma's bed is pretty much the same size.
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30k and change. It's an SR5, which would probably be about equivalent to an XLT F-150 to compare price. An extended cab equipped similar would have been like 28k, but I need the double cab. Toyota's prices are a little higher but the resale value usually is too. The tacoma double cab's bed (previous generation) was way, way smaller than the tundra's, only like 5 feet long and shallow, which would have been just useless to me. They were really small inside the cab as well. The bed of my truck is just as wide as the f-150's, like 2" shorter at 6'-4", and 20" deep. A full size truck is just so much more useful. I've hauled a lot of sheetrock and plywood and it's nice to lay it flat on the bed instead of over the wheelwells and over the tailgate like I had to with my ranger. It's nice to get 3 people in the back seat on occasion as well. All I can say is thank god I only have a 4-mile commute, cause the gas mileage does suck in a 5200 pound truck.
Have you had any problems with your F-150? My 2002 ranger was constantly in the shop. The F-150's a really nice truck and I would've bought one but I've just had bad luck with ford trucks. I love the interior of them. Mine looks like a big Camry inside. I'm sure the new generation f-150s are better since they're a much more modern design than the ranger, which has been patched up every year since 1982 on it's present chassis.
If you don't mind me asking, how much did you pay for your Tundra? I'm sure its a lot more than I paid for my F-150. I only got base SuperCab 4x4 version (XL). I don't tow anything heavy (towing capacity on my F-150 is 7,200 lbs), but its still nice to have that capacity, I might need it someday (my parents are planing to buy boat next summer).
Anyway, if you don't need truck for towing, why didn't you bought something smaller, like Tacoma for example? Tundra's and Tacoma's bed is pretty much the same size.
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30k and change. It's an SR5, which would probably be about equivalent to an XLT F-150 to compare price. An extended cab equipped similar would have been like 28k, but I need the double cab. Toyota's prices are a little higher but the resale value usually is too. The tacoma double cab's bed (previous generation) was way, way smaller than the tundra's, only like 5 feet long and shallow, which would have been just useless to me. They were really small inside the cab as well. The bed of my truck is just as wide as the f-150's, like 2" shorter at 6'-4", and 20" deep. A full size truck is just so much more useful. I've hauled a lot of sheetrock and plywood and it's nice to lay it flat on the bed instead of over the wheelwells and over the tailgate like I had to with my ranger. It's nice to get 3 people in the back seat on occasion as well. All I can say is thank god I only have a 4-mile commute, cause the gas mileage does suck in a 5200 pound truck.
Have you had any problems with your F-150? My 2002 ranger was constantly in the shop. The F-150's a really nice truck and I would've bought one but I've just had bad luck with ford trucks. I love the interior of them. Mine looks like a big Camry inside. I'm sure the new generation f-150s are better since they're a much more modern design than the ranger, which has been patched up every year since 1982 on it's present chassis.
2/16/06 | 04:04 PM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Knight @ February 9, 2006, 1:57 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
That looks like a nice truck...
for me to poop on.
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That looks like a nice truck...
for me to poop on.
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2/16/06 | 05:35 PM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(NHstang @ February 16, 2006, 3:45 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Have you had any problems with your F-150? My 2002 ranger was constantly in the shop. The F-150's a really nice truck and I would've bought one but I've just had bad luck with ford trucks. I love the interior of them. Mine looks like a big Camry inside. I'm sure the new generation f-150s are better since they're a much more modern design than the ranger, which has been patched up every year since 1982 on it's present chassis.
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No problems, but it is only 8 months old and it only have 1,500 miles on the odometer. We only use it when we need to tow something or use bed.
I heard a lot of positive and a lot of negative stories about Ranger. Some people say they can last forever, others say its a lemon. I droved 2.3L RegularCab Ranger few times and its really fun truck to drive.
Have you had any problems with your F-150? My 2002 ranger was constantly in the shop. The F-150's a really nice truck and I would've bought one but I've just had bad luck with ford trucks. I love the interior of them. Mine looks like a big Camry inside. I'm sure the new generation f-150s are better since they're a much more modern design than the ranger, which has been patched up every year since 1982 on it's present chassis.
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No problems, but it is only 8 months old and it only have 1,500 miles on the odometer. We only use it when we need to tow something or use bed.
I heard a lot of positive and a lot of negative stories about Ranger. Some people say they can last forever, others say its a lemon. I droved 2.3L RegularCab Ranger few times and its really fun truck to drive.
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