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Why not a diesel Mustang?

Old Jan 19, 2005 | 04:08 PM
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I guess the reason I'm bringing this up is that I happen to be a fan of the diesel engine.

I currently own a 2002 F-250 that I've had for about a year and a half and had a conversion kit made to have it run on vegetable oil, which works wonderfully I might add. I've only needed to fill up on diesel once! The rest of the time I make my rounds once a month to the local greasy spoons and ask for their waste vegetable oil which is stored and filtered within the same unit. It works great (I also get better milage and emissions as a result).

Anyway, I was listening to the rant about fuel consumption via 'MustangDan' and thought this would be a great alternative (if Ford produced one).

I guess an engine swap could be possible. Anyway, just curious if others had considered this possiblity?
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Old Jan 19, 2005 | 04:16 PM
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Mostly trucks are diesel. And some old benz I guess.
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Old Jan 19, 2005 | 04:17 PM
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mmmm bacon fat

good Question dude. kinda goes back to our hydrogen discussion from forever ago
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Old Jan 19, 2005 | 04:20 PM
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Originally posted by TorqueIT@January 19, 2005, 7:11 PM
I guess the reason I'm bringing this up is that I happen to be a fan of the diesel engine.

I currently own a 2002 F-250 that I've had for about a year and a half and had a conversion kit made to have it run on vegetable oil, which works wonderfully I might add. I've only needed to fill up on diesel once! The rest of the time I make my rounds once a month to the local greasy spoons and ask for their waste vegetable oil which is stored and filtered within the same unit. It works great (I also get better milage and emissions as a result).

Anyway, I was listening to the rant about fuel consumption via 'MustangDan' and thought this would be a great alternative (if Ford produced one).

I guess an engine swap could be possible. Anyway, just curious if others had considered this possiblity?
On the off chance that you are serious, have you weighed that 7.3 oil burner lately?

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Old Jan 19, 2005 | 04:25 PM
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Or seen the sticker price for that beast of an engine?
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Old Jan 19, 2005 | 04:25 PM
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Would I be able to rip out stumps with my Mustang? :scratch:
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Old Jan 19, 2005 | 04:27 PM
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stumps, pavement, small structures.....
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Old Jan 19, 2005 | 04:29 PM
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i dont think the bacon fat would make it to my car. my mouth would be in the way haha
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Old Jan 19, 2005 | 04:31 PM
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funny to hear this. Besides the weight factor, Willie Nelson is in the business with some other people of selling some sort of diesel alternative (veggie oil and such). I just heard it on the radio the other day. They have the fuel for sale at like 200+ truck stops. Their claim to fame is that there are no converters needed to use on the everyday diesel engine. Just fill your truck up with this alternative and let her burn.
Could you imagine how heavy the mustang would be though, with a diesel engine in it. Talk about a tank!
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Old Jan 19, 2005 | 04:48 PM
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Originally posted by 169stang@January 19, 2005, 4:34 PM
funny to hear this. Besides the weight factor, Willie Nelson is in the business with some other people of selling some sort of diesel alternative (veggie oil and such). I just heard it on the radio the other day. They have the fuel for sale at like 200+ truck stops. Their claim to fame is that there are no converters needed to use on the everyday diesel engine. Just fill your truck up with this alternative and let her burn.
Could you imagine how heavy the mustang would be though, with a diesel engine in it. Talk about a tank!
So the big issue seems to be the weight of a diesel engine.

I know what ol Willie's talking about, its actually called 'Bio-diesel', its actually a mix of diesel and vegetable oil rather than straight veggie oil (something like 80% diesel and 20% vegatable oil).

I had though about doing that, but it kinda put me at odds with not wanting to use diesel in the first place.

An interesting note: the diesel engine was actually originally designed to be fueled with Peanut Oil, not diesel.

Anyway, I've seen the new Powerstroke Turbo diesels from Ford put out about 570 lbs of torque, which should make that weight problem less of an issue.

I guess you couple that with a decent gear ratio, and that proverbial Diesel Mustang could really haul some serious hiney!!!
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Old Jan 19, 2005 | 04:49 PM
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Just wouldn't corner....
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Old Jan 19, 2005 | 04:56 PM
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yeah and then just put a ten speed transmission and...

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Old Jan 19, 2005 | 04:56 PM
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Losing the near perfect weight distribution would stink bigtime.....
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Old Jan 19, 2005 | 05:00 PM
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I think an AWD 'stang would be da shizzle.
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Old Jan 19, 2005 | 05:26 PM
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There is no demand or market for a diesel Mustang.

When you look at the US car market, diesels represent a tiny fraction of sales. In europe they have a high market share due to goverment incentives and fuel costs.

I personally think it would be out of character for the Mustang do have a diesel, or hybrid for example.

I do think if the price of gas continues to climb, that the first company that reacts with more diesel products (light trucks, mid-sized cars) will have good sales.
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Old Jan 19, 2005 | 05:46 PM
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Originally posted by Galaxie@January 19, 2005, 5:29 PM
There is no demand or market for a diesel Mustang.

When you look at the US car market, diesels represent a tiny fraction of sales. In europe they have a high market share due to goverment incentives and fuel costs.

I personally think it would be out of character for the Mustang do have a diesel, or hybrid for example.

I do think if the price of gas continues to climb, that the first company that reacts with more diesel products (light trucks, mid-sized cars) will have good sales.
I'll agree with you in the car market yes, though trucks are obviously a different story.

I'm not seeing why it would be out of character for a Mustang to be offered with a diesel vs a regular gasoline engine. The power potential is there, the aftermarket is there, the reliability is much better.

If weight is the biggest issue concerning a diesel, how much weight are we talking here?

I know Fords new Cammer racing engine weights around 669 lbs. I've tried finding the weight for Fords PowerStroke Turbo diesels, but have not had success. The closest I could find was for the Lincoln Navigators engine and it weights 660 lbs.

I guess I'm just suprised by people's reactions to this query. You've got plenty of power hungry people here, why would a diesel option with tons of power potential be looked at in such a negative view?

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Old Jan 19, 2005 | 07:18 PM
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I thought I read somewhere Ford is OR was testing some diesel Mustang project. Probably some off the wall pet project for the heck of it.
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Old Jan 19, 2005 | 07:32 PM
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So the GT on a cooking oil powered 'stang would stand for "Grease Trap". Sorry, couldn't resist.
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