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Old Mar 1, 2005 | 06:40 PM
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Originally posted by Grantsdale+February 28, 2005, 6:29 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Grantsdale @ February 28, 2005, 6:29 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-TheMustangSource@February 28, 2005, 7:28 PM
It's public for viewing Grantsdale, but the photographer owns the copyright.
Not necessarily true. If the copyright isn't written on implied on the picture or the site, you'd never win the case.

Take for instance, all the famous "stolen" **** videos of celebrities. You would think they would try to stop them from being posted all over, but since they aren't copyright, they can't do a thing about it. They actually have MORE of a case in those situations, because they didn't mean to release the video (except for Paris Hilton). In this case, however, orthoguy meant to post it on cardomain, which makes it usuable for public consumption.
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I work in a photo lab and it is against federal law for me to copy a picture that is copyrighted. This even applies to photos that do not have a copyright symbol on them. If I can tell by looking at it ( backdrop, professional look to it, wedding, school pic ect.) that it is taken by a professional any they say they took the picture, I have them fill out a release saying they claim they took it, that way I am not liable. Another example is: say you took some pictures (you don't have to be a pro) and you passed out some of your prints, if they go and make copies of the picture without your permission, at this point technically that is copyright infringement. This law is very strict. Its made to protect pros.
Just thought I would give you my 2 cents
I don't think it is right for someone to use another persons photo for profit.
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Old Mar 1, 2005 | 06:40 PM
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Ok, then, if his stripes are 8", and we know Orthos are 10"s, then how does he explain that his stripes dont have a 2" gap above the lights? As you can see, the outside edge of "his" stripes and Orthos both line up with the inside edge of the fogs.

I agree on the principle of it.
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Old Mar 1, 2005 | 06:58 PM
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Originally posted by photolabgirl77+March 1, 2005, 9:43 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(photolabgirl77 @ March 1, 2005, 9:43 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Originally posted by Grantsdale@February 28, 2005, 6:29 PM
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It's public for viewing Grantsdale, but the photographer owns the copyright.


Not necessarily true. If the copyright isn't written on implied on the picture or the site, you'd never win the case.

Take for instance, all the famous "stolen" **** videos of celebrities. You would think they would try to stop them from being posted all over, but since they aren't copyright, they can't do a thing about it. They actually have MORE of a case in those situations, because they didn't mean to release the video (except for Paris Hilton). In this case, however, orthoguy meant to post it on cardomain, which makes it usuable for public consumption.

I work in a photo lab and it is against federal law for me to copy a picture that is copyrighted. This even applies to photos that do not have a copyright symbol on them. If I can tell by looking at it ( backdrop, professional look to it, wedding, school pic ect.) that it is taken by a professional any they say they took the picture, I have them fill out a release saying they claim they took it, that way I am not liable. Another example is: say you took some pictures (you don't have to be a pro) and you passed out some of your prints, if they go and make copies of the picture without your permission, at this point technically that is copyright infringement. This law is very strict. Its made to protect pros.
Just thought I would give you my 2 cents
I don't think it is right for someone to use another persons photo for profit.
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Yes, thats all well and good. But the picture isn't posted in the public domain without a copyright. What you are describing is a completely different issue.

Without going into personal detail, because I don't like to do that, I own a large internet marketing company that deals with issues like these all the time. I know the "law" on the matter, and the way it is actually enforced. Yes, the person technically owns the picture, and the rights to it. However, you will not get any court in the country to enforce that law once it is revealed that the pic came from the internet. That being said, this is a slightly different case because he slapped his own copyright on the (edited) picture. Orthoguy (and only orthoguy) could easily sue him and win for trying to pass off ortho's property as the seller's.
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Old Mar 1, 2005 | 07:18 PM
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Could the mods add a poll to this thread and we get to vote whether or not this is the most worthless thread ever.
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Old Mar 1, 2005 | 07:33 PM
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Thank you Holderca1! I was keeping my tounge, but this thread is just bizarre!

And Grantsdale you are correct, I also work in the industry, and that was spot on.

But I sure wouldn't go after a guy legally who's selling $23.00 garbage stripe kit's on eBay. It's ALWAYS about the money, it's one thing to sue and get a judgement, it's another one to collect!

The bottom, bottom line......

Let Orthoguy take care of it however he see's fit.
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Old Mar 1, 2005 | 07:36 PM
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has someone at least PMed orthoguy about this? If nobody does I will, because in the end as tony said this rests in orthoguys hands.
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Old Mar 1, 2005 | 09:09 PM
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hey guys, I wonder if its possible to not sit around and post in threads you believe to be worthless? If its really that worthless, why post in them?

No, we wont be adding a poll to this thread. I dont see a problem with people talking about one of our members pictures being put up on a eBay auction.

Not to mention, I think everyone is learning something about copyright laws, and internet theft laws.

I am sure someone has PMd OrthoGuy about this already.
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Old Mar 1, 2005 | 09:16 PM
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Old Mar 1, 2005 | 09:18 PM
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I was being sarcastic, and actually I am more confused about copyright laws now from this thread since everyone seems to be giving a different answer.
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Old Mar 1, 2005 | 09:31 PM
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GrantsDale said it pretty conscisely in his last post, and as Tony confirmed, he is dead right. As much as it pains me to admit! LOL
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Old Mar 1, 2005 | 09:50 PM
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This thread is either going to die once orthoguy reads it and brushes it off or it'll continue with everyone waiting to hear how he pursues it. I guess this post is stating the obvious.
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Old Mar 1, 2005 | 10:00 PM
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Sorry guys but I jusy wanted to be involved in this somehow.
Don't have anything to say. I read this whole thing though.

If it were me, I wouldn't pursue anything other than giving the guy a hard time.
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Old Mar 1, 2005 | 10:13 PM
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Originally posted by am1scott@March 1, 2005, 7:27 PM
From: steve6058@mchsi.com

I am comparing both cars and the only similarity I see is that they are
both black and both have silver stripes. However, the one I shot has 8"
stripes and your friends looks to have 10" stripes. The angle of the shot is
almost exactly the same but mine was photographed from a slightly higher
angle. His car looks much nicer than the one in my auction. I think the 10" stripe
is perfect for that model. Whoever did the graphics did a great job.
Thanks,

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Man, this guy is so far in denial (it's not just a river in Egypt) it's really pretty sad, bordering on delusional. And yes, it is a matter of principal. Why would you want to do business with someone so unscrupulous that not only do they steal and alter a picture then pass it off as their own, but then flattly deny it when they are obviously caught in in the lie? Seems to me that if someone was offering a quality product or service, they would take actual pictures of their work and proudly display it, rather than passing off something that is, at best, a mere representation of what they offer. I still can't ever remember seeing any car dealership in Pensacola that was nothing but a complete yellow background.
just to **** off the pic stealer a bit more, ask for a pic without the yellow background. tell him you can see the blurred out reflection.

i think the whole reason most of us are a lil upset is a matter of principles. its a shame when ppl dont admit they are wrong and that they stole when you have cornered them like you have done here. it sickens me to see this.

if it were my car, i'd be royally pissed


wait can we say "pissed" on the site. hmmm only one way to find out. sorry if this triggers the language filters
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Old Mar 1, 2005 | 10:26 PM
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I think the funniest thing is that even though he mirrored the car and then put the pony emblem back facing the right way, the reflection of the emblem on the top of the front bumper is still facing the wrong direction. In the side by side comparisson you can see that even though the pony emblems are pointing different directions, both reflections show the tail pointing to the left.
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Old Mar 1, 2005 | 10:27 PM
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I would like to see what he has to say about that.....cant really say much.
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Old Mar 1, 2005 | 10:36 PM
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And for those that don't know...... This isn't the first time that Orthoguy had his car "featured" on an eBay auction without his knowledge.

He didn't make a big deal out of the first one, though the "accused" last time supposedly got his pic from someone else who said they had permission from somebody.... he promptly removed the pic.

Haven't seen him around here for quite awhile..... so you all may be in for a looooooong wait
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Old Mar 2, 2005 | 05:57 AM
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He's out installing his side louvers. I can't wait to see his pics!
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Old Mar 2, 2005 | 10:56 AM
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Looks like the guy caved

Now it's the pre-production autoshow car with fanblades
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Old Mar 2, 2005 | 11:57 AM
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That's too funny... I just noticed the pic has changed. Well, it's good to know that we made a difference, eh? I'd still want the guy to apologize and admit he lied. When someone lies to you like that, he's basically calling you stupid, because he thinks you are actually dumb enough to believe him or he wouldn't say it. Well, I hope he learned his lesson. And if he lied about where he got the pic, what's to say that the slimeball wouldn't lie about anything else, like tell clients that ortho's car was done with his stripes. That's just bad business. I hope nobody buys a thing from him.
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Old Mar 2, 2005 | 01:48 PM
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Man, both of his pics look like crap...and neither of them are of the 8" stripes which he is selling.
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