So What Should Ford Do Differently?
The car needs to be lighter by at least 200 Lbs.
The base V6 should be the 3.0L Duratec with 225 HP
The upgraded V6 should be the 3.5L Duratec, with true dual exhaust it would be at least 275 HP. Call it the Mustang ST.
The GT should have a 325 HP 4.6L 3V.(easily attainable)
Upgraded Mustangs would use a 5.4L 3V (if it had the same tune and cam timing as the GT it would be 350HP+ and 370 Ftlbs). Call it the Mach 1.
Put the old Terminator motor in the SE (Boss??), Superchaged 4.6L 4V 390HP.
Offer IRS, a 6 speed manual, and 6 speed Auto with paddle shifter.
These are all NO-Brainers and could easily be offered!!!!!
The base V6 should be the 3.0L Duratec with 225 HP
The upgraded V6 should be the 3.5L Duratec, with true dual exhaust it would be at least 275 HP. Call it the Mustang ST.
The GT should have a 325 HP 4.6L 3V.(easily attainable)
Upgraded Mustangs would use a 5.4L 3V (if it had the same tune and cam timing as the GT it would be 350HP+ and 370 Ftlbs). Call it the Mach 1.
Put the old Terminator motor in the SE (Boss??), Superchaged 4.6L 4V 390HP.
Offer IRS, a 6 speed manual, and 6 speed Auto with paddle shifter.
These are all NO-Brainers and could easily be offered!!!!!
Lighter, the cars lighter then a gto, you want it lighter take out the power seats and put manual ones in and lose some wieght there ya go
Ill grant the v6 should have been a bit more powerful but still one of the best in its class.
sure 325 is easily attainable, premium gas and diffrent tuning, but believe it or not they would have sold less mustangs, with gas prices the way they are and the yuppies who by these cars will be turned off(not talking about true enthusiasts)
ANd no it cant be easily offered it would be cool, but your talking about 6 diffrent kind of mustangs. and more aded transmissions. all that would cost money money ford doesnt have for the research and developement of all those options, never mind the neccesary manufacturing plants to try to produce and sell 6 diffrent kinds of mustang, nevermind the optional 6 speed trannys you want, its just not feasible for a struggling company
Ill grant the v6 should have been a bit more powerful but still one of the best in its class.
sure 325 is easily attainable, premium gas and diffrent tuning, but believe it or not they would have sold less mustangs, with gas prices the way they are and the yuppies who by these cars will be turned off(not talking about true enthusiasts)
ANd no it cant be easily offered it would be cool, but your talking about 6 diffrent kind of mustangs. and more aded transmissions. all that would cost money money ford doesnt have for the research and developement of all those options, never mind the neccesary manufacturing plants to try to produce and sell 6 diffrent kinds of mustang, nevermind the optional 6 speed trannys you want, its just not feasible for a struggling company
I spent the last 6 months in the Middle East driving Euro-spec Fords. They pretty much need to can everything but the Mustang and the F-series and let the Brits build their entire lineup. An Aussie-sourced sedan would be nice, but the platform doesn't support left-side-drive so we're SOL on that on unless Mr. Mullaly can convince them to make a platform that works both ways for the next generation.
Seriously, the interior quality on the new Mondeo is right up there with Volkswagen. I was floored.
~Mike~
Seriously, the interior quality on the new Mondeo is right up there with Volkswagen. I was floored.
~Mike~
-Offer IRS standard across the board. The SRA is old technology. No one uses it anymore on passenger cars.
-More HP N/A: The only real way to do this is with increased displacement. 375 hp standard would be nice. Throw direct injection in the mix to boost economy a bit.
-6 speed manual for the GT. This should have been offered in 05!!
-Sport Package: Wider tires, upgraded 13" rotors with 4 piston calipers, and a tuned suspension. At least give it to us an an option...
-Better Seats: Give us some bolstering and better material.
-Upgraded Plastics: The interior is well designed, but the materials are cheap. GM is actually starting to build nice interiors, so why can't Ford?
Other than that, the car looks great! I cannot find a flaw in the exterior design.
-More HP N/A: The only real way to do this is with increased displacement. 375 hp standard would be nice. Throw direct injection in the mix to boost economy a bit.
-6 speed manual for the GT. This should have been offered in 05!!
-Sport Package: Wider tires, upgraded 13" rotors with 4 piston calipers, and a tuned suspension. At least give it to us an an option...
-Better Seats: Give us some bolstering and better material.
-Upgraded Plastics: The interior is well designed, but the materials are cheap. GM is actually starting to build nice interiors, so why can't Ford?
Other than that, the car looks great! I cannot find a flaw in the exterior design.
Adjustable seat belts, a manu-matic and a sunroof
My wife hates the seatbelts. She's 5'5" and they cut into her neck on the pasenger side, so that's for her.
I'd like a manu-matic and as I've posted here before, I'd love a sunroof option, too.
Those are doable, I think (of course I'd like a free supercharger option, too, but I'm trying to be realistic).
I'd like a manu-matic and as I've posted here before, I'd love a sunroof option, too.
Those are doable, I think (of course I'd like a free supercharger option, too, but I'm trying to be realistic).
I would have to disagree...there was a lot of input about the new S-197 from the people.Even the Ford engineers captured the top brass and won approval for the retro Stang.
Sure there are some quirks about the s-197 but complaints aside this car has captured many enthusiast and have sent us back in time.But this time its has brought us all together to show off,share info, and share the passionate love we have for the Mustang...new or old.
Sure there are some quirks about the s-197 but complaints aside this car has captured many enthusiast and have sent us back in time.But this time its has brought us all together to show off,share info, and share the passionate love we have for the Mustang...new or old.
I would have to disagree...there was a lot of input about the new S-197 from the people.Even the Ford engineers captured the top brass and won approval for the retro Stang.
Sure there are some quirks about the s-197 but complaints aside this car has captured many enthusiast and have sent us back in time.But this time its has brought us all together to show off,share info, and share the passionate love we have for the Mustang...new or old.
Sure there are some quirks about the s-197 but complaints aside this car has captured many enthusiast and have sent us back in time.But this time its has brought us all together to show off,share info, and share the passionate love we have for the Mustang...new or old.
A good example was the IRS debate before the S197 was introduced. Supposedly, the S197 chassis was designed for an IRS rear and it was going to make production until the bean counters ran some numbers. When all was said and done, the S197 chassis had to be re-engineerd to accept a SRA due to the cost issue of an IRS rear.
I would have to disagree...there was a lot of input about the new S-197 from the people.Even the Ford engineers captured the top brass and won approval for the retro Stang.
Sure there are some quirks about the s-197 but complaints aside this car has captured many enthusiast and have sent us back in time.But this time its has brought us all together to show off,share info, and share the passionate love we have for the Mustang...new or old.
Sure there are some quirks about the s-197 but complaints aside this car has captured many enthusiast and have sent us back in time.But this time its has brought us all together to show off,share info, and share the passionate love we have for the Mustang...new or old.
One thing that would be nice though is to be able to pick and choose individual options when you order a new one, instead of having to upgrade other features the buyer may not be interested in. (i.e. HIDs without having to get the OEM security system) I don't know a lot about the costs of such things, but if it is feasible to give the consumer complete control of the order that would be nice.
A good example was the IRS debate before the S197 was introduced. Supposedly, the S197 chassis was designed for an IRS rear and it was going to make production until the bean counters ran some numbers. When all was said and done, the S197 chassis had to be re-engineerd to accept a SRA due to the cost issue of an IRS rear.
thats how the dealers make money...well that and intrest anyways..but i tihnk 20 & 40k is way to much i mean i know they have to make money too but more like 5k is reasonable
It's obvious dealer markup is pure profit. But how about cars that aren't marked up? How do dealers make money on these units? Simple. Let's look at the invoice and MSRP of a 2008 GT500 (thumbnail). IF the dealership pays invoice, $37,898, the difference between it and MSRP is the dealership's profit. This is the margin that Ford "gives" to the dealership that's built into every vehicle. In this case, it's about $4,000. This difference reflects only the base car with no options. Dealerships make over 18 percent (dependent on model) on the option total. So if options total $4,000 retail, they are making an additional $720.
So, if a dealership were to sell a GT500 for an MSRP of, say, $45,000, they are making about $4,700. This is selling at MSRP and not a penny more. Anything above and over is, simply, pure profit. It turns out that dealerships don't even pay the invoice price (trade secret, if you will). They pay slightly less. This is how dealerships can get away with sales such as "Our invoice + $100". They're actually making more than $100....
Now maybe you can understand why I'll NEVER pay over MSRP for ANY car. It's pure legalized robbery in my opinion. Can you say "Oil Companies"???
Willie
It's obvious dealer markup is pure profit. But how about cars that aren't marked up? How do dealers make money on these units? Simple. Let's look at the invoice and MSRP of a 2008 GT500 (thumbnail). IF the dealership pays invoice, $37,898, the difference between it and MSRP is the dealership's profit. This is the margin that Ford "gives" to the dealership that's built into every vehicle. In this case, it's about $4,000. This difference reflects only the base car with no options. Dealerships make over 18 percent (dependent on model) on the option total. So if options total $4,000 retail, they are making an additional $720.
So, if a dealership were to sell a GT500 for an MSRP of, say, $45,000, they are making about $4,700. This is selling at MSRP and not a penny more. Anything above and over is, simply, pure profit. It turns out that dealerships don't even pay the invoice price (trade secret, if you will). They pay slightly less. This is how dealerships can get away with sales such as "Our invoice + $100". They're actually making more than $100....
Now maybe you can understand why I'll NEVER pay over MSRP for ANY car. It's pure legalized robbery in my opinion. Can you say "Oil Companies"???
Willie
With the slowing market many dealers of all makes are just bleeding money right now by the millions. If you owned a dealership for a week, you would never sell the vehicles for what they do sell for, you would have a coronary and be marking everything up $10000 at a frantic pace. Not to mention something like Nike or Coach's fifteen thousand percent+ profit margin you'll just simply buy without asking twice about the price. The grocery store makes more profit off you every year then your car dealership ever will, you need to start negotiating the fruity pebbles if you think you bought too much car for your budget.
Lighter, the cars lighter then a gto, you want it lighter take out the power seats and put manual ones in and lose some wieght there ya go
Ill grant the v6 should have been a bit more powerful but still one of the best in its class.
sure 325 is easily attainable, premium gas and diffrent tuning, but believe it or not they would have sold less mustangs, with gas prices the way they are and the yuppies who by these cars will be turned off(not talking about true enthusiasts)
ANd no it cant be easily offered it would be cool, but your talking about 6 diffrent kind of mustangs. and more aded transmissions. all that would cost money money ford doesnt have for the research and developement of all those options, never mind the neccesary manufacturing plants to try to produce and sell 6 diffrent kinds of mustang, nevermind the optional 6 speed trannys you want, its just not feasible for a struggling company
Ill grant the v6 should have been a bit more powerful but still one of the best in its class.
sure 325 is easily attainable, premium gas and diffrent tuning, but believe it or not they would have sold less mustangs, with gas prices the way they are and the yuppies who by these cars will be turned off(not talking about true enthusiasts)
ANd no it cant be easily offered it would be cool, but your talking about 6 diffrent kind of mustangs. and more aded transmissions. all that would cost money money ford doesnt have for the research and developement of all those options, never mind the neccesary manufacturing plants to try to produce and sell 6 diffrent kinds of mustang, nevermind the optional 6 speed trannys you want, its just not feasible for a struggling company
~Mike~
I hope you aren't calling the Mustang a "Sports Car", a sporty car maybe. Iv'e dreamed about Mustangs since I was 4 years old(the year they came out) and I still dream about them!!
Me, I'd love to see Ford making the Mustang a better driver's car - FRPP handling pack from the factory, adjustable dampers, IRS, big brakes, that kind of thing.
Also, they should make more GT500s - get the price down to MSRP. I think people are quite happy about the MSRP, but I think most feel a bit ripped off with the dealer markups. I'm not entirely sure why they do this - the dealers probably like it, but they're ****ing off their customers.
Edit: Oh yeah, they really need to bring the Euro Focus and the Mondeo over here
Also, they should make more GT500s - get the price down to MSRP. I think people are quite happy about the MSRP, but I think most feel a bit ripped off with the dealer markups. I'm not entirely sure why they do this - the dealers probably like it, but they're ****ing off their customers.
Edit: Oh yeah, they really need to bring the Euro Focus and the Mondeo over here
More Power for the V6 and GT. Have some different engine options like Dodge does for the Charger. I would really like to see a T-top version of the Mustang come back but i doubt thats gonna happen. Ford really needs to bring back a performance division. If's it's not called SVT then oh well. This needs to happen for more than just the Mustang too. Gas prices may be higher now, but horsepower still seems to sell.
in addition to what Kevin has said if special cars such as the GT500, shelby GT or any others on the long list of special interest cars were sold right as MSRP there would just be people with alot of money buying them up and selling them at a preminum and not the dealers it is just they way things are with anything that has collectible value be it a car, a toy or anything that has any kind of demand just my view on it.
A new vehicle at MSRP has a lower net profit percentage then ANY retail product you buy(roughly 8% with holdback). Why not negotiate some of Home Depot's 50% margin next time you buy something? $30K worth of materials there makes over $15k for them. How much do you think a jewler makes on a $30k diamond? Its all relative, it just sounds like a lot, to you. Plus, dealers are not holes in the wall in low cost areas, they are mega million dollar investments with as much real estate needed as a shopping mall with only one store on it. Its the highest investement price per square foot/store of any retail outlet. Maintain tens of millions of dollars of inventory to sell most of them for around $400 a copy profit? Its not uncommon to spend over $100k per month in advertising. Many vehicles are sold at invoice. Ford needs to get rid of 30% of its dealers to reduce competition and raise per-dealer profits to reasonable levels. The number of dealers and giveaway sales are having dealers killing themselves with half the market share of 20 years ago. You never see Lexus overcrowding the market, they are all very high profit dealers spread way apart from one another. In this immediate area, 3 lexus dealers, 25 Ford dealers.
With the slowing market many dealers of all makes are just bleeding money right now by the millions. If you owned a dealership for a week, you would never sell the vehicles for what they do sell for, you would have a coronary and be marking everything up $10000 at a frantic pace. Not to mention something like Nike or Coach's fifteen thousand percent+ profit margin you'll just simply buy without asking twice about the price. The grocery store makes more profit off you every year then your car dealership ever will, you need to start negotiating the fruity pebbles if you think you bought too much car for your budget.
With the slowing market many dealers of all makes are just bleeding money right now by the millions. If you owned a dealership for a week, you would never sell the vehicles for what they do sell for, you would have a coronary and be marking everything up $10000 at a frantic pace. Not to mention something like Nike or Coach's fifteen thousand percent+ profit margin you'll just simply buy without asking twice about the price. The grocery store makes more profit off you every year then your car dealership ever will, you need to start negotiating the fruity pebbles if you think you bought too much car for your budget.



