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Old 10/13/04 | 07:48 AM
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Originally posted by GT350Clone@October 13, 2004, 9:17 AM
If Ford said "No gouging" on a hot item, the EVERYBODY will pay MSRP - no bargains, no deals for the smart shoppers.
Absolutely correct.
Old 10/13/04 | 08:06 AM
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I've said this before on the forum.... as a repeat customer, who uses the service department of the dealer, I will resent paying a higher price, that someone off the street will not pay 4 months from now. (my mustang is due in soon)

The dealer has performed a reasonably good job in servicing my existing ford- - so shouldn't I place my order with the dealer? I do not need the best deal in town, and like to show who I deal with some loyalty as my customers show me. It usually works out pretty well. By the same token, I do not want to be the only knothead in town paying msrp.


In my business, I do not charge premium for wants or needs of long time customers - - not because I'm a nice guy, loyalty goes both ways. I want to provide value, and make a good living (ok great living). And keep the customer. People spend all these marketing dollars to get a new customer. Take care of the old ones, won't need to spend as much.

I just view it as a matter of convenience. If the dealer shows me no love when the mustang comes in, I WILL recover the lost dollars. It will take a little work, on my part. I cut back on what I get serviced at the dealer. My other ford, which is longer in the tooth, can be serviced by cheaper, and capable local shops. Warranty work on the mustang, can go to other dealers. If any of the aggravating service problems arise, like electrical, i'll take it back to dealer i bought the car from.

Now, if someone just walks off the street, or if I was a customer who simply purchased a car without getting my body work, or repairs, or general services performed, I say the dealer should get what they can. I simply do not understand the logic of alienating an existing good customer, for relatively minor short term gain.
Old 10/13/04 | 08:11 AM
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My local dealer had a 6000.00 bump sticker on the Mach1 and if I know them it will be the same for the 05.
Old 10/13/04 | 08:29 AM
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Originally posted by kevinb120@October 12, 2004, 7:53 PM
Its a free market for a reason. Most dealers won't do it after a few weeks if they do it at all.
This is one of the many reasons I won't be getting my Mustang until June or July... That and paying off some bills and waiting for two major things...

A) Mustang SE
B) See what additions are made to the Mustang 06
Old 10/13/04 | 08:44 AM
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Ford could care less if dealerships are price gouging. As long as the dealerships pay for the cars, Ford has no say so in the matter. Wait 6 months to a year and watch those price gouging dealerships drop their prices like a bad habit. If you pay $1000.00 over invoice or more, don't complain when the prices are at invoice when the dealerships can't sell these due to price gouging and have many left on their lots that they can't get rid of.
Old 10/13/04 | 09:14 AM
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Originally posted by tangs3@October 13, 2004, 9:14 AM
My local dealer had a 6000.00 bump sticker on the Mach1 and if I know them it will be the same for the 05.
Im glad I did not sell any Machs in 03 over sticker, especially after they announced another year of them :shock:
Old 10/13/04 | 09:15 AM
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Originally posted by TrueBlueCajun@October 13, 2004, 9:47 AM
Ford could care less if dealerships are price gouging. As long as the dealerships pay for the cars, Ford has no say so in the matter. Wait 6 months to a year and watch those price gouging dealerships drop their prices like a bad habit. If you pay $1000.00 over invoice or more, don't complain when the prices are at invoice when the dealerships can't sell these due to price gouging and have many left on their lots that they can't get rid of.
something tells me that's not going to happen, we already have more requests then 2 YEARS of inventory(and this is a dealer that normally stocks over 100 mustangs), without a commercial.
Old 10/13/04 | 09:20 AM
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Oh, I asked a customer this morning who is here in the commercial department who came in in a new SL500. $30,000 over sticker. :shock: He said it with a big smile on his face and told me how cool the car is. Its bad hiney deluxe with cheese, let me tell ya. What do you think the chance is for an invoice deal next year on them?
Old 10/13/04 | 09:25 AM
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Originally posted by kevinb120@October 13, 2004, 9:23 AM
Oh, I asked a customer this morning who is here in the commercial department who came in in a new SL500. $30,000 over sticker. :shock: He said it with a big smile on his face and told me how cool the car is. Its bad hiney deluxe with cheese, let me tell ya. What do you think the chance is for an invoice deal next year on them?
But, if I'm not mistaken, they won't produce a couple hundred thousand of them next year either.
Old 10/13/04 | 09:33 AM
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If someone who can to afford to pay over sticker that is nice for them but the average Joe cant. Remember on average every 1000.00 is about 20.00 more on your payment, so do the math before you buy.
Old 10/13/04 | 09:37 AM
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Originally posted by kevinb120@October 13, 2004, 11:23 AM
Oh, I asked a customer this morning who is here in the commercial department who came in in a new SL500. $30,000 over sticker. :shock: He said it with a big smile on his face and told me how cool the car is. Its bad hiney deluxe with cheese, let me tell ya. What do you think the chance is for an invoice deal next year on them?
If I was going to pay 30,000 extra I would probably just buy a car that was 30,000 more msrp now that would be a cool car.
Old 10/13/04 | 09:40 AM
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I refuse to pay MSRP let alone above it. I have managed to get the X-Plan, if I didn't I would wait until there were rebates.
Old 10/13/04 | 09:40 AM
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Originally posted by Karpro+October 13, 2004, 10:28 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Karpro @ October 13, 2004, 10:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-kevinb120@October 13, 2004, 9:23 AM
Oh, I asked a customer this morning who is here in the commercial department who came in in a new SL500. $30,000 over sticker. :shock: He said it with a big smile on his face and told me how cool the car is. Its bad hiney deluxe with cheese, let me tell ya. What do you think the chance is for an invoice deal next year on them?
But, if I'm not mistaken, they won't produce a couple hundred thousand of them next year either. [/b][/quote]
nor do they have 8 million prior customers
Old 10/13/04 | 09:44 AM
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Remember the Thunderbird debacle? 5K over MSRP was common. Think of all the poor bastards that paid those prices and now are attempting to trade it. They're so upside down they won't see light for a long time.

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Old 10/13/04 | 09:47 AM
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Originally posted by tangs3@October 13, 2004, 10:36 AM
If someone who can to afford to pay over sticker that is nice for them but the average Joe cant. Remember on average every 1000.00 is about 20.00 more on your payment, so do the math before you buy.
I dont know of any going over sticker, but the arguement is that the very first ones will get all the money, and people will pay all the money to get the very first ones. Just becuase WE here think its silly its not even 1% of the customer base of one model year of production, and thats if every single member bought one tomorrow. I pay d-plan of course so my pricing arguements are moot for myself(not to mention the Ford payback for the plan I can have worked into the deal over net, so I can get one for 2k under invoice, but thats another story, it sure as heck aint happening on the first batches though for me either). I remember when 87's got all the money(and I HATE 87-93 mustangs) back in the day. You have to remember the other 99% of the public buying this car does not have the same hang-ups as people who research stuff like this. Sienna minivans have sold for thousands over sticker for months and still get full retail all day long now.
Old 10/13/04 | 09:49 AM
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Originally posted by Galaxie@October 12, 2004, 7:55 PM
If there are people willing to pay well over MSRP just to be the first guy in the town to have the car, that's their problem.

I'll wait a few months so I can get Xplan.
I'll wait a year for my plan if I have to!
Old 10/13/04 | 09:53 AM
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Originally posted by Merlot+October 13, 2004, 10:52 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Merlot @ October 13, 2004, 10:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Galaxie@October 12, 2004, 7:55 PM
If there are people willing to pay well over MSRP just to be the first guy in the town to have the car, that's their problem.

I'll wait a few months so I can get Xplan.
I'll wait a year for my plan if I have to! [/b][/quote]
I'm even waiting it out for the initial hubub(and winter) to get one myself. I'm more interested in selling them then driving them in OCTOBER. If you are in an area like mine, the winter accounts for 95% of the vehicles yearly 'age' so I'm skipping all that fun. I checked my email lists this morning that 'want to see one when they come in'. I have 143 phone calls and emails to make the SECOND I see one come in. B)
Old 10/13/04 | 09:53 AM
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Isn't gouging one of the reasons why the Thunderbirds sales were so dismal?
Old 10/13/04 | 09:54 AM
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Originally posted by ustabawannab@October 13, 2004, 10:47 AM
Remember the Thunderbird debacle? 5K over MSRP was common. Think of all the poor bastards that paid those prices and now are attempting to trade it. They're so upside down they won't see light for a long time.

Discontinued in disgrace.
Most of them wrote checks. I have two 05 T-birds on order now. Its just the ugly hiney silver ones that dont sell, its the only 04's we have left.
Old 10/13/04 | 10:06 AM
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Just spoke to another north Jersey dealer. He supposedly getting the car I'm looking for but indicates that it will be another month before it shows. He also indicated that supply is going to be a real issue. He's indicated that dealers will be getting only 3 per month for the next 3 to 5 months. He also said that he doesn't like doing the gouging but if Ford ties dealers hands with no supply, with the demand that exists, the gouging is bound to get worse.

Spring is starting to look better and better for me.


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