Price Gouging
#41
Originally posted by GT350Clone@October 13, 2004, 9:17 AM
If Ford said "No gouging" on a hot item, the EVERYBODY will pay MSRP - no bargains, no deals for the smart shoppers.
If Ford said "No gouging" on a hot item, the EVERYBODY will pay MSRP - no bargains, no deals for the smart shoppers.
#42
I've said this before on the forum.... as a repeat customer, who uses the service department of the dealer, I will resent paying a higher price, that someone off the street will not pay 4 months from now. (my mustang is due in soon)
The dealer has performed a reasonably good job in servicing my existing ford- - so shouldn't I place my order with the dealer? I do not need the best deal in town, and like to show who I deal with some loyalty as my customers show me. It usually works out pretty well. By the same token, I do not want to be the only knothead in town paying msrp.
In my business, I do not charge premium for wants or needs of long time customers - - not because I'm a nice guy, loyalty goes both ways. I want to provide value, and make a good living (ok great living). And keep the customer. People spend all these marketing dollars to get a new customer. Take care of the old ones, won't need to spend as much.
I just view it as a matter of convenience. If the dealer shows me no love when the mustang comes in, I WILL recover the lost dollars. It will take a little work, on my part. I cut back on what I get serviced at the dealer. My other ford, which is longer in the tooth, can be serviced by cheaper, and capable local shops. Warranty work on the mustang, can go to other dealers. If any of the aggravating service problems arise, like electrical, i'll take it back to dealer i bought the car from.
Now, if someone just walks off the street, or if I was a customer who simply purchased a car without getting my body work, or repairs, or general services performed, I say the dealer should get what they can. I simply do not understand the logic of alienating an existing good customer, for relatively minor short term gain.
The dealer has performed a reasonably good job in servicing my existing ford- - so shouldn't I place my order with the dealer? I do not need the best deal in town, and like to show who I deal with some loyalty as my customers show me. It usually works out pretty well. By the same token, I do not want to be the only knothead in town paying msrp.
In my business, I do not charge premium for wants or needs of long time customers - - not because I'm a nice guy, loyalty goes both ways. I want to provide value, and make a good living (ok great living). And keep the customer. People spend all these marketing dollars to get a new customer. Take care of the old ones, won't need to spend as much.
I just view it as a matter of convenience. If the dealer shows me no love when the mustang comes in, I WILL recover the lost dollars. It will take a little work, on my part. I cut back on what I get serviced at the dealer. My other ford, which is longer in the tooth, can be serviced by cheaper, and capable local shops. Warranty work on the mustang, can go to other dealers. If any of the aggravating service problems arise, like electrical, i'll take it back to dealer i bought the car from.
Now, if someone just walks off the street, or if I was a customer who simply purchased a car without getting my body work, or repairs, or general services performed, I say the dealer should get what they can. I simply do not understand the logic of alienating an existing good customer, for relatively minor short term gain.
#44
Originally posted by kevinb120@October 12, 2004, 7:53 PM
Its a free market for a reason. Most dealers won't do it after a few weeks if they do it at all.
Its a free market for a reason. Most dealers won't do it after a few weeks if they do it at all.
A) Mustang SE
B) See what additions are made to the Mustang 06
#45
Ford could care less if dealerships are price gouging. As long as the dealerships pay for the cars, Ford has no say so in the matter. Wait 6 months to a year and watch those price gouging dealerships drop their prices like a bad habit. If you pay $1000.00 over invoice or more, don't complain when the prices are at invoice when the dealerships can't sell these due to price gouging and have many left on their lots that they can't get rid of.
#46
Originally posted by tangs3@October 13, 2004, 9:14 AM
My local dealer had a 6000.00 bump sticker on the Mach1 and if I know them it will be the same for the 05.
My local dealer had a 6000.00 bump sticker on the Mach1 and if I know them it will be the same for the 05.
#47
Originally posted by TrueBlueCajun@October 13, 2004, 9:47 AM
Ford could care less if dealerships are price gouging. As long as the dealerships pay for the cars, Ford has no say so in the matter. Wait 6 months to a year and watch those price gouging dealerships drop their prices like a bad habit. If you pay $1000.00 over invoice or more, don't complain when the prices are at invoice when the dealerships can't sell these due to price gouging and have many left on their lots that they can't get rid of.
Ford could care less if dealerships are price gouging. As long as the dealerships pay for the cars, Ford has no say so in the matter. Wait 6 months to a year and watch those price gouging dealerships drop their prices like a bad habit. If you pay $1000.00 over invoice or more, don't complain when the prices are at invoice when the dealerships can't sell these due to price gouging and have many left on their lots that they can't get rid of.
#48
Oh, I asked a customer this morning who is here in the commercial department who came in in a new SL500. $30,000 over sticker. :shock: He said it with a big smile on his face and told me how cool the car is. Its bad hiney deluxe with cheese, let me tell ya. What do you think the chance is for an invoice deal next year on them?
#49
Originally posted by kevinb120@October 13, 2004, 9:23 AM
Oh, I asked a customer this morning who is here in the commercial department who came in in a new SL500. $30,000 over sticker. :shock: He said it with a big smile on his face and told me how cool the car is. Its bad hiney deluxe with cheese, let me tell ya. What do you think the chance is for an invoice deal next year on them?
Oh, I asked a customer this morning who is here in the commercial department who came in in a new SL500. $30,000 over sticker. :shock: He said it with a big smile on his face and told me how cool the car is. Its bad hiney deluxe with cheese, let me tell ya. What do you think the chance is for an invoice deal next year on them?
#51
Originally posted by kevinb120@October 13, 2004, 11:23 AM
Oh, I asked a customer this morning who is here in the commercial department who came in in a new SL500. $30,000 over sticker. :shock: He said it with a big smile on his face and told me how cool the car is. Its bad hiney deluxe with cheese, let me tell ya. What do you think the chance is for an invoice deal next year on them?
Oh, I asked a customer this morning who is here in the commercial department who came in in a new SL500. $30,000 over sticker. :shock: He said it with a big smile on his face and told me how cool the car is. Its bad hiney deluxe with cheese, let me tell ya. What do you think the chance is for an invoice deal next year on them?
#53
Originally posted by Karpro+October 13, 2004, 10:28 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Karpro @ October 13, 2004, 10:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-kevinb120@October 13, 2004, 9:23 AM
Oh, I asked a customer this morning who is here in the commercial department who came in in a new SL500. $30,000 over sticker. :shock: He said it with a big smile on his face and told me how cool the car is. Its bad hiney deluxe with cheese, let me tell ya. What do you think the chance is for an invoice deal next year on them?
Oh, I asked a customer this morning who is here in the commercial department who came in in a new SL500. $30,000 over sticker. :shock: He said it with a big smile on his face and told me how cool the car is. Its bad hiney deluxe with cheese, let me tell ya. What do you think the chance is for an invoice deal next year on them?
nor do they have 8 million prior customers
#54
Remember the Thunderbird debacle? 5K over MSRP was common. Think of all the poor bastards that paid those prices and now are attempting to trade it. They're so upside down they won't see light for a long time.
Discontinued in disgrace.
Discontinued in disgrace.
#55
Originally posted by tangs3@October 13, 2004, 10:36 AM
If someone who can to afford to pay over sticker that is nice for them but the average Joe cant. Remember on average every 1000.00 is about 20.00 more on your payment, so do the math before you buy.
If someone who can to afford to pay over sticker that is nice for them but the average Joe cant. Remember on average every 1000.00 is about 20.00 more on your payment, so do the math before you buy.
#56
Originally posted by Galaxie@October 12, 2004, 7:55 PM
If there are people willing to pay well over MSRP just to be the first guy in the town to have the car, that's their problem.
I'll wait a few months so I can get Xplan.
If there are people willing to pay well over MSRP just to be the first guy in the town to have the car, that's their problem.
I'll wait a few months so I can get Xplan.
#57
Originally posted by Merlot+October 13, 2004, 10:52 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Merlot @ October 13, 2004, 10:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Galaxie@October 12, 2004, 7:55 PM
If there are people willing to pay well over MSRP just to be the first guy in the town to have the car, that's their problem.
I'll wait a few months so I can get Xplan.
If there are people willing to pay well over MSRP just to be the first guy in the town to have the car, that's their problem.
I'll wait a few months so I can get Xplan.
I'm even waiting it out for the initial hubub(and winter) to get one myself. I'm more interested in selling them then driving them in OCTOBER. If you are in an area like mine, the winter accounts for 95% of the vehicles yearly 'age' so I'm skipping all that fun. I checked my email lists this morning that 'want to see one when they come in'. I have 143 phone calls and emails to make the SECOND I see one come in. B)
#59
Originally posted by ustabawannab@October 13, 2004, 10:47 AM
Remember the Thunderbird debacle? 5K over MSRP was common. Think of all the poor bastards that paid those prices and now are attempting to trade it. They're so upside down they won't see light for a long time.
Discontinued in disgrace.
Remember the Thunderbird debacle? 5K over MSRP was common. Think of all the poor bastards that paid those prices and now are attempting to trade it. They're so upside down they won't see light for a long time.
Discontinued in disgrace.
#60
Just spoke to another north Jersey dealer. He supposedly getting the car I'm looking for but indicates that it will be another month before it shows. He also indicated that supply is going to be a real issue. He's indicated that dealers will be getting only 3 per month for the next 3 to 5 months. He also said that he doesn't like doing the gouging but if Ford ties dealers hands with no supply, with the demand that exists, the gouging is bound to get worse.
Spring is starting to look better and better for me.
Spring is starting to look better and better for me.