Pfft American cars...
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Originally posted by red454@November 26, 2004, 4:30 AM
And if Mr. SToNER thinks a Mustang looks like a Pinto, then so be it. He may very well think Janet Reno is a hottie too...
And if Mr. SToNER thinks a Mustang looks like a Pinto, then so be it. He may very well think Janet Reno is a hottie too...
That's too darn funny Chris. 
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Wow! This troll certainly accomplished his mission. In less than 24 hours he has created a 4 page thread of indignant replies to keep himself entertained. IMHO it would be good idea to just lock this thread and cut him off from his source of jollies.
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LOL, and this guy loved the H2. Not a very good off-road truck. It is made for people to show off driving in the burbs. My old 89 jeep wrangler can kick an H2 in off-road capability. H1 is another story, but the fact that he loved the H2 speaks volumes as to what he knows about cars/trucks. Also, euro cars are on a steady decline in reliability. Just look at VW.
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I was lucky enough to watch the whole thing last night..LOL .
There was no point in posting at that time I knew what he was doing .
I think what happened is that he woke up his mom when he went to use the scanner.
Just my opinion
There was no point in posting at that time I knew what he was doing .
I think what happened is that he woke up his mom when he went to use the scanner.
Just my opinion
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This has to be the biggest idiot that I've ever seen on this sight. Though most can agree that fords resale isn't the best, I won't be buying a mustang for resale value. I'll buy it because I like it, but on the resale issue, I guess breast really just depends on how long you keep the car. How many people bought shelbys, machI's, and just about any of the old mustangs new that couldn't make in insane amount of money on them now.
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What a blast this thread was! 
Here is a perspective from a French guy who moved to the US 10 years ago: The Mustang embolizes the American Dream. It's emotional pull has no match in the car industry. Why? Because it's a Legend with names like GT, Bullit, Cobra, Mach1... And it's the best sports car value. Sure, the interior fit and finish is not as "perfect" as a bimmer, but a 330ci is far more expensive and is NOT a muscle car (no V8).
As for reliability, it is a known fact that MB and others have lots of problems especially in recent years.
No other car maker can claim "THE LEGEND LIVES" :flag2:
Here is a perspective from a French guy who moved to the US 10 years ago: The Mustang embolizes the American Dream. It's emotional pull has no match in the car industry. Why? Because it's a Legend with names like GT, Bullit, Cobra, Mach1... And it's the best sports car value. Sure, the interior fit and finish is not as "perfect" as a bimmer, but a 330ci is far more expensive and is NOT a muscle car (no V8).
As for reliability, it is a known fact that MB and others have lots of problems especially in recent years.
No other car maker can claim "THE LEGEND LIVES" :flag2:
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Don't ban the guy - he's actually entertaining.
He's not even a well-informed troll (Euro cars are handmade, they all have leather seats, they never break down, etc.). Seriously - we need some comic relief. We should adopt him, make him the board's pet troll or something.
He's not even a well-informed troll (Euro cars are handmade, they all have leather seats, they never break down, etc.). Seriously - we need some comic relief. We should adopt him, make him the board's pet troll or something.
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Originally posted by SToNER@November 26, 2004, 1:20 AM
Asian cars: They will last FOREVER, literally, my mother and father both got a 1986 Camry (NEW) and they ended up selling them without a single problem. And something else to consider is that Asian cars have an EXCELENT resale value.
European cars: The nicest looking cars in the world which also have the best names in the world, no Asian or American car companies name comes close to any European car, not one. The repairs are expensive since few repair shops are needed that specialize in repairing European cars since they almost never break down. You will find European car companies are very generous to give free things standard like leather seats (in fact, ALL European car models have standard leather seats) and you don't have to pay extra for automatic.
Asian cars: They will last FOREVER, literally, my mother and father both got a 1986 Camry (NEW) and they ended up selling them without a single problem. And something else to consider is that Asian cars have an EXCELENT resale value.
European cars: The nicest looking cars in the world which also have the best names in the world, no Asian or American car companies name comes close to any European car, not one. The repairs are expensive since few repair shops are needed that specialize in repairing European cars since they almost never break down. You will find European car companies are very generous to give free things standard like leather seats (in fact, ALL European car models have standard leather seats) and you don't have to pay extra for automatic.
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wow, that was entertaining. this guy really knew what he was talking about eh? I'd trust him over a JD Powers quality survey any day!
The last surveys had Ford pretty much dead on the industry average for uhh... crap, i forget, either customer satisfaction or long term quality or reliability or maybe both, i dunno. Meanwhile Mercedes was like 4th from the bottom, same deal for VW.
Is there a way to search for all threads in which someone was banned? Its good reading.
The last surveys had Ford pretty much dead on the industry average for uhh... crap, i forget, either customer satisfaction or long term quality or reliability or maybe both, i dunno. Meanwhile Mercedes was like 4th from the bottom, same deal for VW.
Is there a way to search for all threads in which someone was banned? Its good reading.
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Originally posted by SixtySix@November 26, 2004, 1:05 PM
And we'll love him and pet him and feed him..... Let's call him "George"
And we'll love him and pet him and feed him..... Let's call him "George"
I'm starting to show my age by instantly getting that reference
But seriously, don't some of you people sleep at all? At first I thought it was an old message that had managed to float to the top with so many replies, boy did this retard get some goats out there
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To Stoner,
I've had two BMWs.
1979 320i- Great car, broke my heart to sell it in 1997. Rebuilt engine, transmission, shocks, battery and that's about it. Sold it with 200,000+ miles.
1994 BMW 318is- Slow, handles well, good gas mileage, new transmission, shocks, sunroof leaks and is broken, fabric on roof is coming down, dash fits poorly and is coming apart slowly, passenger sided door panel is two pieces and top piece (with arm rest) was coming off, fabric and interior materials are coming off in back seat, drivers seat no longer moves because the bearings came out and the seat is off its tract, gas gauge is starting to go haywire, part of dash on lights up some of the time, A/C on the fritz
In my book the second car was a lemon, but not an uncommon experience with some of the more recent BMWs. My first BMW was well built and lasted. Quality has slipped tremendously in European cars because they were able to get by with crap. Now with Lexus, Infiniti, and some of the American makers pushing quality might improve.
As a person who has never owned an American car but has always loved the 60s stangs (especially 1967 Shelby) and could afford any of the above, I am sticking with the Mustang (although I may try and resist long enough to see if the Cobra is worth the price tag). It is raw power, sheer fun, and a beautiful car with a lot of style. You can't say that about all of the above. The LA types will always go and try and buy what is cool in the moment, more style over substance. The Mustang has both.
I've had two BMWs.
1979 320i- Great car, broke my heart to sell it in 1997. Rebuilt engine, transmission, shocks, battery and that's about it. Sold it with 200,000+ miles.
1994 BMW 318is- Slow, handles well, good gas mileage, new transmission, shocks, sunroof leaks and is broken, fabric on roof is coming down, dash fits poorly and is coming apart slowly, passenger sided door panel is two pieces and top piece (with arm rest) was coming off, fabric and interior materials are coming off in back seat, drivers seat no longer moves because the bearings came out and the seat is off its tract, gas gauge is starting to go haywire, part of dash on lights up some of the time, A/C on the fritz
In my book the second car was a lemon, but not an uncommon experience with some of the more recent BMWs. My first BMW was well built and lasted. Quality has slipped tremendously in European cars because they were able to get by with crap. Now with Lexus, Infiniti, and some of the American makers pushing quality might improve.
As a person who has never owned an American car but has always loved the 60s stangs (especially 1967 Shelby) and could afford any of the above, I am sticking with the Mustang (although I may try and resist long enough to see if the Cobra is worth the price tag). It is raw power, sheer fun, and a beautiful car with a lot of style. You can't say that about all of the above. The LA types will always go and try and buy what is cool in the moment, more style over substance. The Mustang has both.
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sinply said you cannot buy a european gar that does the 1/4 mile in the mid 13's for less then $50,000, so with that said we are mostly (GT guys) buying this car for its performance/dollar value, which no car company in the world can match (neon srt is the only exception, 20k low 14's)
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I am also sorry I hadn't seen this post sooner......But I'm going to reply anyway.
Of the many new cars I have owned over the years, I have been the most disappointed with the German auto's. I had 6 of them in 4 year period. 2 Brand new VW Passat's from the 90's, both nothing but head aches, in the shop more than on the road. 1 VW GTI, lot's of little things bringing me back to the dealer then finally a bad trans. 3 BMW's purchased after the VW's....one was an older 318, not too bad of a car for a used vehicle, so I traded it for a newer 328, had some problems but still thought is was OK, so I traded that in for a new 1997 528. Sure it was a nice car with only a few prob's until the warranty ran out. What went wrong?? U-joints, Massive air flow sensor, transmission, digital dash went out, brakes, the power seats & accessories etc. The biggest gripe with all these problems?? How about charging $400.00 to replace a thermostat, Massive air flow sensor cost's me $900.00, Digital dash repair? $1200.00 and the list goes on.
I am on my 2nd Ford truck, the first was a 1999 F-150 SuperCab that I traded for a 2001 F-150 SuperCrew (because my kids grew legs and we needed a 4 door) Neither truck has given me any probs so far, except for normal maintainence and 2 ball joints after 80,000 miles. To repair American automobiles is by far much more reasonable than the German vehicles. I like all types of vehicles and have owned quite a few from different car makers. This Mustang is my 6th Ford in my lifetime, I have had very good luck with my Ford dealer and their service. I will always own a truck and after owning 2 F-150's, I will always replace them with F-150's! The new '05 Mustang?? So far, so good. I am very pleased with the final product, I think it drives great, looks great, handles great etc. I will probably buy an additional one next summer!
Just my 2 cents.
Mike
Of the many new cars I have owned over the years, I have been the most disappointed with the German auto's. I had 6 of them in 4 year period. 2 Brand new VW Passat's from the 90's, both nothing but head aches, in the shop more than on the road. 1 VW GTI, lot's of little things bringing me back to the dealer then finally a bad trans. 3 BMW's purchased after the VW's....one was an older 318, not too bad of a car for a used vehicle, so I traded it for a newer 328, had some problems but still thought is was OK, so I traded that in for a new 1997 528. Sure it was a nice car with only a few prob's until the warranty ran out. What went wrong?? U-joints, Massive air flow sensor, transmission, digital dash went out, brakes, the power seats & accessories etc. The biggest gripe with all these problems?? How about charging $400.00 to replace a thermostat, Massive air flow sensor cost's me $900.00, Digital dash repair? $1200.00 and the list goes on.
I am on my 2nd Ford truck, the first was a 1999 F-150 SuperCab that I traded for a 2001 F-150 SuperCrew (because my kids grew legs and we needed a 4 door) Neither truck has given me any probs so far, except for normal maintainence and 2 ball joints after 80,000 miles. To repair American automobiles is by far much more reasonable than the German vehicles. I like all types of vehicles and have owned quite a few from different car makers. This Mustang is my 6th Ford in my lifetime, I have had very good luck with my Ford dealer and their service. I will always own a truck and after owning 2 F-150's, I will always replace them with F-150's! The new '05 Mustang?? So far, so good. I am very pleased with the final product, I think it drives great, looks great, handles great etc. I will probably buy an additional one next summer!
Just my 2 cents.
Mike
