Take a look at this overseas order posted by someone on Stangnet. It includes pricing. There are some extra costs for delievery etc... but options might just be LEGIT! (or not)

Check it out:

 

Base price makes sense...under $25k @ $24,059.00

Adding it up without the delivery, admin and taxes and without the Shaker 1000 I get $26,280.

 

I doubt Ford would have pricing out for that..

I think the dealer just based its pricing on existing Mustang GT prices and marked them up a few percent.

 

That's what I thought, but they have the interior upgrade package and the accent package. Where are they supposed to get even a ballpark on what those cost?

But you're right, what is this "estimated uplift" ? The estimated difference in price?

 

They could possibly estimate the price of those options and maybe have an agreement that they will add/subtract the values when the official numbers come out.

 

Either way, it makes for a bit of interesting discussion.

 

That is good information!! A few questions though: 1) Will all of us be charged the ESG1 Model Year 2005 Estimated Uplift? What is that
and 2) Will we be charged for PREP Delivery Point Processing Service -Single Unit Priority Handling, SHOC- Customer Delivery - Show Vegicle, and DFRT U.S. (Domestic) Inland Freight Charge???

 

Before I stir up trouble here..... let me just say that:

THERE IS NO REASON TO BELIEVE THIS IS THE ACTUAL PRICING.

Completely unconfirmed.

The "uplift" may confirm that this isn't actual pricing if it is an estimated bump in pricing over the 04's or the like.

Also, I'm not sure if that is the standard domestic frieght charge we all have to pay?

 

Let me try to muddy the water a little bit.

Exchange New Car Sales (ENCS) sells to service members who are stationed overseas. Some of those delivery charges are unusual because of the delivery system. You can pick your car up in the states when you return or choose to have it delivered overseas (germany, or heaven forbid south korea).

As far as pricing, these are only estimated costs for the options. ENCS receives special pricing from Ford which works out to be a decent deal for soldiers. So the price you see listed most likely will be different when it hits the stateside dealers.

And that uplift charge you see is just a buffer to pad the contract that a soldier signs. All the '05 models without official pricing include this charge. Once pricing is official, ENCS will remove the charge and adjust the base price to reflect the actual price. Basically, the uplift prevents a soldier from having to increase the amount of loan he/she applies for.

The whole point of this wierd system is to get soldiers to sign early on in their overseas tour. It's just a rough estimate that will wicker down as official pricing and rebates start trickling in.

Clear as mud? :-)

If not, here goes. This was my situation. I could order a '05 mustang last month. ENCS would write up a contract for it and I would start throwing money into an account that pays back 7% to be applied towards the down payment. During the remaining tour in this poo hole called south korea, ENCS would apply any rebates that rolled in into the contract to reduce my bottom line. Then I could PCS back to the states and delay delivery nearly indefinately to continue to attempt to get the best possible rebate. When I finally take delivery, ENCS would roll together the current pricing, the best rebate between contract signing and delivery, and the deposit money drawing 7% interest. Kewl hugh? Of course, I ended up buying a Mark VIII while I wait for the '06-7 Cobra. B)

 

This guy will be paying way more money. Import taxes are 10%, add to this a VAT of 16% -> $40,489. I don't know if military personnel has to pay these tho. What's definitely necessary is modifications on the car to meet German regulations, as U.S. military personnel cannot just have the car registered with a U.S. number plate anymore. There were so many accidents with cars that didn't meet German requirements (and the accidents happened because the cars were in very bad condition) that the German and the U.S. Government decided that all cars now have to pass the TÃœV () before they get a special number plate that has the NATO symbol instead of the "D" inside the european star circle. Mods will be 2000-3000 US$

 

Did you guys see on the last page that they have applied a "$1000 Ford Rebate" onto this car?

 

I would think that the military have an arrangement, otherwise they have to pay the same as the rest of us

 

:scratch: Child safety locks on rear doors?

 

No and No..

We do not pay VAT, which would only apply to those in Germany anyway. We do not pay an Import taxes. What taxes you do pay on the car will be determined when and where you bring your car back to the USA, if there are any that apply at all. A lot depends on where you plan to register your car, how old the vehicle is when it returns to the states. rule of thumb is it must be at least 6 months old so that it is not considered "new".. There are several ways around paying taxes on your vehicle when first registering in the US, but like i said, it depends on where you register it.


US cars have higher standard then the German cars do, you DO NOT have to modify a US spec'd car to drive it in Germany. You DO have to modify a Euro spec'd car to bring it back to the US.


EVERY vehicle US or Eurp spec has to be inspected every year in Germany, this is for safety, and they check everything. Tread depth, overly rusty, brakes, signals, steering to name a few.

The plate on my car looks identical to a German plate, cept is says USA not NATO where the Germans have a D.. this symbol is only 2 inches in size anyway, so there is no way to tell a Germany from an American unless you are actually trying to find them.

Like is said before you DO NOT have to modify a US spec'd car to drive in Germany.

This is a Military Rebate that ford almost always does. I got it too. And I was Happy!!!

I will get you guys a copy of my order and you can see the MSRP pricing vs. what ENCS charges... They tend to shave a few dollars off everything, so it starts to add up in the end.

I am buying my car from this VERY same dealer(already have my VIN) and the price that he quoted me at, he said that if the price of the car is differnt when they release the pricing, that I WILL NOT have to make up the differnce. So the price he gave me is the price I will pay reguardless of what changes when the pricing comes out. Also, if by some freak of nature the price is lower, I get the lower prices also, so it is a win-win situation for me, and those like me.


more info soon..

 

I get around $26,410 with the options I ordered. I ommitted the "uplift fee/cost" because a base '04 isn't $24k. I also ommitted the rebate so either way. I think this is pretty close, the option prices look reasonable while still adding substantial cost to the base vehicle. I didn't add the shaker 1000 because I didn't order it and the shaker 500 can't cost that much. Don't shoot me down, I'm in happyland now. Honestly, I am expecting the my cost to be around $28k before A-plan, and there's no telling what that discount will be yet. Anyway, you made my day thanks.

 

By the way, I stink at spelling so....

 

I just hope its correct Tank.

 

You have to. If you import a car from the US and want it registered in Germany you need

• Certificate of Exemption for not having headlights distance controls. Issued by the Bundesland
• Certificates that prove that the car meets "EMV" (electromagnetic compatibility) requirements
• Certificates that the braking systems meet standards
• Certificates for headlights,
• Anti-Theft system,
• Number plates,
• VIN,
• Emissions,
• etc

the car will, of course, meet the requirements. Take the emissions as an example. As the 05 meets California Emissions regulations, it should meet Euro 3 (maybe even Euro 4) emission norms. The problem is, though, that you have to prove it. You have to prove all of the above. Takes time and money.

 

Geez, the '04 is $24k base for the coupe. Oops. Well, around $28k it is. darn! :notnice: :notnice:

 

cripes its an ESTIMATE :bang: