Hope there is no frame damage.good luck.

 

Yep, I too being from the North Climate understand and have experinced what is being said here. There are times ABS is great to have and other times it just keeps on ticking and freaks you out!

 

ull be suprised when its all fixed...it wont look like anything happened. well u know the car holds up very well....

 

As far as Ford and ABS... having driven quite a few different cars... GM's ABS system seems to be the worst. God aweful noise and vibrations.

By the way, does anyone else love dropping into second hard and seeing the message center light up 'traction control active'?

 

I noticed that you have a V6; but isn't ABS standard on a GT?

 

Eh, ABS sucks in the snow and marbles where its better to let the tires lock up and build up a little wedge of dirt/snow to stop the car, in just about every other situation its well worth it though.

 

abs sucks big time. it helps you maintain control but increases you time to come to a stop. my tbird doesnt have it. my stang does. ive had tostop short once in each car in a 2 day period. the tbird stopped me on a dime with a little side to side movement but i came nowhere close to the car in front of me. the stang started to stop, abs kicked in and then continued to move foward. i swear i was less than an inch from the car in front of me. it was so scary. i want to disable the abs right now.

 

You got me there! :bang:

I didn't even think of that until you mentioned it.

 

The Mustang could really benefit from a stability control system. This system could have easily have prevented this type of accident, especially since the car is rear wheel drive.

Sorry to hear about your car, but glad you and your passenger are ok. I had a friend who was riding in a car that flipped on a gravel road. He remained partially paralized from the accident. He wasn't wearing a seat belt.

 

Sorry about your accident. With you and I getting into accidents this weekend it wasn't a good one for Stang owners. Hope they can fix that back to like new condition.

 

ABS is a BIG plus in a situation like this.
If you know how to use it.

 

:scratch: What do you have to know to use ABS? The reason for ABS is because people tend to panic and mash the brake causing brakes to lock up and the driver to loose steering control. I'm sure the poster didn't deliberately steer into the pole. Some of us who have experience driving in wet and off road conditions know how to steer a car while it's in a skid.
ABS is a plus in some situations, but obviously not this one - see photos in first post.

 

The ABS cause my stopping distance to be longer in this situation. I hit the lamppost because I did a rookie mistake by going where my eyes were looking ... I was trying to give myself the longest straight area to brake. Fortunately, this lammpost was made of aluminum and was cut in half when I hit it ... what stop me was the ditch behind the post

I must also add that those Pirellis really suck and good tires would have helped also ... I miss my Kumhos MX I had on my 2000 GT or my R-Compound Yokohamas 032R track tires.

Bottom line is I made the mistake of coming in too fast in the curve and I ran out of tarmac ... the ABS just didn't help.

Also, what didn't help is that I was just leaving an interior kart track, the adrenaline was still pumping very hard ... a Mustang is not a kart unfortunately

I will know later this week how much damage was done but my estimate is about 10K CDN ... I will keep you posted

 

I know what you are saying now about the ABS being a problem. Not sure if you would have made it anyway. :bang:

I can attest to these tires being junk, at least in the rain (I like them dry). Trying to put any power down in first or second is impossible. It's been raining all day here, and I had to make a quick stop for a light. The ABS went completely crazy. I wasn't sure the car was going to stop. It finally did, and with a real lurch at the end.

I think I could have stopped it faster without the ABS. It wouldn't have been pretty, but I would have stopped before the stupid crosswalk. I certainly have enough experience getting a car stopped without ABS (sometimes slightly sideways, if necessary).

 

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05GT, it's not difficult to surmise that any actual truth behind what was said is really immaterial - more likely it was more important that someone had to infer superior knowledge of a subject - any subject, probably. Give it the full 12 picoseconds of thought it's worth and that's all that's needed....check past poster history for a better understanding.

Moving on.....I agree with you very much, 05GT!

ABS in itself is a great subject and it's true there are a lot of misconceptions about it - I'll be the first to admit it as a driver who still has more miles under my belt without it than with it, and I drive quite a bit as do many of you. Having gone from a 35-year California native and living in all parts of that state as well as the East Coast for some years now, I've had occasion to experience standard and ABS braking systems in a wide variety of conditions. And I'd be hesitant before going into all the intracacies - mainly because we're all better off going to qualified and trusted sources for something so seriously safety-related as this - I'll say I'm still not ashamed to admit I haven't got them figured out in all the hundreds of possible situations! But I do know this:

ABS is essentially designed to optimize braking for the larger percentage of drivers over the larger percentage of situations. The good ol' 80/20 rule in effect, in other words. That larger percentage obviously means more common drivers who need the assistance (read: non-performance-oriented typical cell-phone-yakker) in everyday conditions - such as typical panic stops on dry/clear asphalt. Everything I've seen and read on the subject points to that as the primary mission of ABS. If it also works better in other more rare situations, it's a plus - just so it doesn't detract significantly from braking performance in those other situations, lest the manufactrers be creating a liability for themselves. Not good from a business perspective, first because of our litigation-crazy societyand second because as they say, "dead people don't trade up".

Nevertheless there are a lot of experienced drivers who will always maintain that ABS is a stopgap measure meant to compensate for common lack of driver skill and vehicle awareness, and that a steady, well-applied braking effort just short of breaking traction is the most efficient. I admit I'm one of those people - probably also out of some protection of my pride as well, I mean who wants to think they can be out-braked by a computer and a pulsing box of hydraulic fluid? Thing of it is, I won't be truly better unless I get out there and really explore my car's braking characteristics and prepare for that Big Stop. Which is a GREAT idea everyone should do, and for instance one of the very first things you do on more risk-prone vehicles such as motorcycles, right? Sadly, we all don't though, so the ABS debate continues.

Either way, I think this accident - which I am very sorry to hear about by the way - shows that ABS is really a moot point as far as this situation goes. For one, look at the amount of damage. No offense but that's quite a hit. Even the best arguments against ABS end up conceding the point that manual braking efforts are only somewhat more efficient than ABS in most situations, which, as long as you don't pump the brake pedal (the real no-no with ABS) will end up stopping you in arguably the same distance on most surface conditions. Even the people behind ABS will tell you they are not "superbrakes" - which was a common misconception that some people had when they first came out, and lots of 'em found out otherwise, the hard way.

We can say that gravel acts the same way as ice does and "fools" ABS but lets not overlook that those surfaces have also succeeded in fooling a helluva lot of good drivers that didn't have ABS getting in their way. I've certainly had some surprising incidents on ice, gravel and sand both with and without it, not that I'm proud of it but it includes two motorcycle accidents and one very serious car accident (all driving solo and not hitting anyone else, thankfully).

I do know that the only common ingredient in those accidents were lack of paying attention to the upcoming road surface, a slight bit of speed above the limit, and not being familiar with that particular road. We were all young once.

Again - not looking to make you feel bad, because it definitely sucks a whole lot about what happened here. Just as one Mustang driver to another, don't sell yourself short on thinking only about the ABS and not the other factors - like familiarity with the road you're on and a good sharp set of eyes on the pavement ahead always. Never know when that patch of sand, black ice, gravel, or spilled, SLIPPERY, diesel fuel is gonna show up. Count your fingers and toes and chalk this one up to experience, cause we're all still learning until the day we go, if we have any smarts at all. I'm glad you're here to at least tell us about it from your home, because hospital food sucks as much as they say it does.

Take care and best of luck getting her back good as new - see ya on the road soon!

 

You were going to fast and breaking on a curve. You should learn from your mistake not blame the equipment.

 

Couldn't have put it better. Agreed 100%

 

Same feeling here.
poo happens, but this feels like it wasn't the car's equipment fault...

 

I know that you probably weren't thinking about it when it happened, but depending on how fast you were going I would have downshifted to first or second to help you slow down faster. This has saved me on a number of occasions when both ABS or my own braking failed to stop me soon enough.

 

To be clear, YES it was MY mistake , NO I was not braking in the curve (but BEFORE the curve) and it looks like I was doing 60mph when I hit the post but I was only doing about 25-30mph (50km/h); the suspension took all of the hit. So I really think ABS made it worst in THIS SITUATION.

I'm not blaming the equipment here because I think ABS is a great safety feature; it permits you to keep control BUT it is not ALWAYS better than the driver behind the wheel ... that's all.