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Originally posted by Decipher@June 8, 2004, 6:58 PM PM
With advances in Technology, unless greedy compnaies take it over, Hydrogen will become so cheap to produce that it will cost a small fraction of what gasoline costs today.
With advances in Technology, unless greedy compnaies take it over, Hydrogen will become so cheap to produce that it will cost a small fraction of what gasoline costs today.
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Originally posted by FrankBullitt05@June 8, 2004, 7:06 PM
Look at the website I posted previously, that company's plan includes, besides transforming the car to H-power, a home seperator of water. Plug it in(they'll sell ya solar panels, wind turbine, or just a home plug) and pour in some water, and it pumps it into the fuel tanks. Hows that for affordable fuel?
So, who wants change to change their title to Hydrogen Hitman B) :scratch:
Look at the website I posted previously, that company's plan includes, besides transforming the car to H-power, a home seperator of water. Plug it in(they'll sell ya solar panels, wind turbine, or just a home plug) and pour in some water, and it pumps it into the fuel tanks. Hows that for affordable fuel?
So, who wants change to change their title to Hydrogen Hitman B) :scratch:
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Originally posted by Horsepower844182+June 8, 2004, 7:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Horsepower844182 @ June 8, 2004, 7:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Decipher@June 8, 2004, 6:58 PM PM
With advances in Technology, unless greedy compnaies take it over, Hydrogen will become so cheap to produce that it will cost a small fraction of what gasoline costs today.
With advances in Technology, unless greedy compnaies take it over, Hydrogen will become so cheap to produce that it will cost a small fraction of what gasoline costs today.
Yes, we will know when hydrogen is ready for prime time when our government votes to spend billions of our tax dollars on subsides to large corporations to help them develop hydrogen power.
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Originally posted by Horsepower844182@June 8, 2004, 7:13 PM
Right...as of today. The technology will come along to make it cheaper...
Right...as of today. The technology will come along to make it cheaper...
The other thing you are forgetting is the massive cost of buiding a hydrogen infrasturcture. Someone has to pay for it. It should be built into the cost of hydrogen, but something tells me that massive government subsidies will come to the rescue.
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Originally posted by V10+June 8, 2004, 7:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (V10 @ June 8, 2004, 7:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Horsepower844182@June 8, 2004, 7:13 PM
Right...as of today. The technology will come along to make it cheaper...
Right...as of today. The technology will come along to make it cheaper...
The other thing you are forgetting is the massive cost of buiding a hydrogen infrasturcture. Someone has to pay for it. It should be built into the cost of hydrogen, but something tells me that massive government subsidies will come to the rescue. [/b][/quote]
Because there's no demand for them. If no one wants them, then no ones spends the time trying to advance that technology...
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Originally posted by Horsepower844182+June 8, 2004, 7:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Horsepower844182 @ June 8, 2004, 7:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
For 30 years solar panels have been just around the corner as a low cost means of producing electicity.
The other thing you are forgetting is the massive cost of buiding a hydrogen infrasturcture. Someone has to pay for it. It should be built into the cost of hydrogen, but something tells me that massive government subsidies will come to the rescue.
Originally posted by V10@June 8, 2004, 7:14 PM
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Right...as of today. The technology will come along to make it cheaper...
Right...as of today. The technology will come along to make it cheaper...
For 30 years solar panels have been just around the corner as a low cost means of producing electicity.
The other thing you are forgetting is the massive cost of buiding a hydrogen infrasturcture. Someone has to pay for it. It should be built into the cost of hydrogen, but something tells me that massive government subsidies will come to the rescue.
There is plenty of demand for solar panels, if the price was right. We have already spent billions of dollars of our tax $$ developing better solar panels and the great breakthrough that would make solar cost competitive still has not occured.
I give up with you guys, you DON'T want to listen to reason and reality. :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang:
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Originally posted by FrankBullitt05@June 8, 2004, 7:06 PM
So, who wants change to change their title to Hydrogen Hitman B) :scratch:
So, who wants change to change their title to Hydrogen Hitman B) :scratch:
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Remember with every technological breakthrough, there were always someone standing back saying "It cant be done, it will be too expensive, it is not efficient enough." And sometimes it works, sometimes it wont, but this is really this planets best new hope. It can fix alot of economic problems, it can fix alot more ecological, and environmental problems.
I will be the first in line to try this new technology WHEN it comes out, and maybe if enough people buy into it, my two kids can breathe a little easier.
Hydro-stang baby! Where do I sign?!
I will be the first in line to try this new technology WHEN it comes out, and maybe if enough people buy into it, my two kids can breathe a little easier.
Hydro-stang baby! Where do I sign?!
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Hydrogen can be seperated through biological means, I believe this is called hydrolysis. So if ya don't want to pay the power bills, grab some bacteria that poop out a hydrite compound and pump this wonderful smelling stuff into engine(a hydrite being a hydrogen based molecue that is easily seperated, for instance, by combustion with oxygen)
Here's the formula for all who are interested
I still don't understand how gasoline is more energy efficient than hydrogen, if ya doubt it, I probably won't convince anyone with technobabble, so let's just agree to disagree
Here's the formula for all who are interested
Under physiological conditions (i.e. in dilute aqueous solution), a hydrolytic cleavage reaction, where the concentration of a metabolic precursor is low (on the order of 10-3 to 10-6 molar), is essentially thermodynamically irreversible. To give an example:
A + H2O → X + Y
Assuming that x is the final concentration of products, and that C is the initial concentration of A, and W = [H2O] = 55.5 molar, then x can be calculated with the equation:
let Kd×W = k
then
For a value of C = 0.001 molar, and k = 1 molar, x/C > 0.999. Less than 0.1% of the original reactant would be present once the reaction is complete.
This theme of physiological irreversibility of hydrolysis is used consistently in metabolic pathways, since many biological processes are driven by the cleavage of anhydrous pyrophosphate bonds.
A + H2O → X + Y
Assuming that x is the final concentration of products, and that C is the initial concentration of A, and W = [H2O] = 55.5 molar, then x can be calculated with the equation:
let Kd×W = k
then
For a value of C = 0.001 molar, and k = 1 molar, x/C > 0.999. Less than 0.1% of the original reactant would be present once the reaction is complete.
This theme of physiological irreversibility of hydrolysis is used consistently in metabolic pathways, since many biological processes are driven by the cleavage of anhydrous pyrophosphate bonds.
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A molar (M) is a unit of concentration (aka molarity) of solutions
It is defined as the amount of substance of a system that contains as many elementary entities as there are atoms in exactly 0.012 kilogram of carbon-12. This quantity is known as Avogadro's number and is approximately 6.022214199 × 10^23.
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Originally posted by FrankBullitt05@June 8, 2004, 7:51 PM
or
so, its like grams for molecues
A molar (M) is a unit of concentration (aka molarity) of solutions
It is defined as the amount of substance of a system that contains as many elementary entities as there are atoms in exactly 0.012 kilogram of carbon-12. This quantity is known as Avogadro's number and is approximately 6.022214199 × 10^23.