GT holds its own against Z28
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Originally posted by Boomer@December 25, 2004, 3:57 PM
So basically what you are saying then is:
'if its an 1/8th mile race the 05 will 'smoke' the LS1'
(cause its faster out the bottom end)
'its a drivers race, if its a 1320 foot race'
(cause they are so close numbers wise, one being better in the beginning, one better in the end)
'the LS1 will 'smoke' a GT if its anything longer than a quarter mile'
(cause its up top is better than the gearing/powercurve of the 3v 4.6)
That still doesn't signify any LS1 'smoking' any GTs, more saying than any GT will 'smoke' an LS1. Nor did we say that anywhere.
Back to the point, the term to 'smoke' is to pretty much decimate or obliterate. I don't see either of those cars doing that to each other.
Also you can look at trap times all you want, all a lower trap time means is that the car gained more speed in the beginning or end...
13.3@ 'x' or 13.3@ 'y'
1320 feet is 1320 feet, you can argue all you want about which car will 'gain' after that....but a 1/4 mile race ENDs at the quarter mile last time I checked.
So basically what you are saying then is:
'if its an 1/8th mile race the 05 will 'smoke' the LS1'
(cause its faster out the bottom end)
'its a drivers race, if its a 1320 foot race'
(cause they are so close numbers wise, one being better in the beginning, one better in the end)
'the LS1 will 'smoke' a GT if its anything longer than a quarter mile'
(cause its up top is better than the gearing/powercurve of the 3v 4.6)
That still doesn't signify any LS1 'smoking' any GTs, more saying than any GT will 'smoke' an LS1. Nor did we say that anywhere.
Back to the point, the term to 'smoke' is to pretty much decimate or obliterate. I don't see either of those cars doing that to each other.
Also you can look at trap times all you want, all a lower trap time means is that the car gained more speed in the beginning or end...
13.3@ 'x' or 13.3@ 'y'
1320 feet is 1320 feet, you can argue all you want about which car will 'gain' after that....but a 1/4 mile race ENDs at the quarter mile last time I checked.
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Originally posted by max2000jp+December 25, 2004, 11:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (max2000jp @ December 25, 2004, 11:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Boomer@December 25, 2004, 3:57 PM
So basically what you are saying then is:
'if its an 1/8th mile race the 05 will 'smoke' the LS1'
(cause its faster out the bottom end)
'its a drivers race, if its a 1320 foot race'
(cause they are so close numbers wise, one being better in the beginning, one better in the end)
'the LS1 will 'smoke' a GT if its anything longer than a quarter mile'
(cause its up top is better than the gearing/powercurve of the 3v 4.6)
That still doesn't signify any LS1 'smoking' any GTs, more saying than any GT will 'smoke' an LS1. Nor did we say that anywhere.
Back to the point, the term to 'smoke' is to pretty much decimate or obliterate. I don't see either of those cars doing that to each other.
Also you can look at trap times all you want, all a lower trap time means is that the car gained more speed in the beginning or end...
13.3@ 'x' or 13.3@ 'y'
1320 feet is 1320 feet, you can argue all you want about which car will 'gain' after that....but a 1/4 mile race ENDs at the quarter mile last time I checked.
So basically what you are saying then is:
'if its an 1/8th mile race the 05 will 'smoke' the LS1'
(cause its faster out the bottom end)
'its a drivers race, if its a 1320 foot race'
(cause they are so close numbers wise, one being better in the beginning, one better in the end)
'the LS1 will 'smoke' a GT if its anything longer than a quarter mile'
(cause its up top is better than the gearing/powercurve of the 3v 4.6)
That still doesn't signify any LS1 'smoking' any GTs, more saying than any GT will 'smoke' an LS1. Nor did we say that anywhere.
Back to the point, the term to 'smoke' is to pretty much decimate or obliterate. I don't see either of those cars doing that to each other.
Also you can look at trap times all you want, all a lower trap time means is that the car gained more speed in the beginning or end...
13.3@ 'x' or 13.3@ 'y'
1320 feet is 1320 feet, you can argue all you want about which car will 'gain' after that....but a 1/4 mile race ENDs at the quarter mile last time I checked.
I don't think the gap is that wide.
I haven't heard of many LS1's running in the 12's. Low 13's, yes. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it is definately a big exception.
Now, we've had 05 GT's running 13.3-13.6sec consistantly. So, I'd say the gap is about 0.2-0.3sec max.
And yes, past the quarter the LS1 would start pulling away.
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Originally posted by Dan+December 25, 2004, 11:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dan @ December 25, 2004, 11:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
The LS1 is plain and simple a more powerful car. The GT has a great rear suspension that allows it to hook up well. This is why it posts such great 1/4 times. Compare the 60' times of both cars and the GT has a significant advantage. A well driven stock LS1 C5/F-body can cut high 12s in the 1/4. The best stock time I have seen from the GT is 13.2. The LS1 is faster by roughly .3-.5 tenths down the 1/4. If you were to keep going past a 1/4 mile into higher triple digit speeds, it wouldnt be pretty for the GT.
Originally posted by max2000jp@December 25, 2004, 11:09 PM
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@December 25, 2004, 3:57 PM
So basically what you are saying then is:
'if its an 1/8th mile race the 05 will 'smoke' the LS1'
(cause its faster out the bottom end)
'its a drivers race, if its a 1320 foot race'
(cause they are so close numbers wise, one being better in the beginning, one better in the end)
'the LS1 will 'smoke' a GT if its anything longer than a quarter mile'
(cause its up top is better than the gearing/powercurve of the 3v 4.6)
That still doesn't signify any LS1 'smoking' any GTs, more saying than any GT will 'smoke' an LS1. Nor did we say that anywhere.
Back to the point, the term to 'smoke' is to pretty much decimate or obliterate. I don't see either of those cars doing that to each other.
Also you can look at trap times all you want, all a lower trap time means is that the car gained more speed in the beginning or end...
13.3@ 'x' or 13.3@ 'y'
1320 feet is 1320 feet, you can argue all you want about which car will 'gain' after that....but a 1/4 mile race ENDs at the quarter mile last time I checked.
So basically what you are saying then is:
'if its an 1/8th mile race the 05 will 'smoke' the LS1'
(cause its faster out the bottom end)
'its a drivers race, if its a 1320 foot race'
(cause they are so close numbers wise, one being better in the beginning, one better in the end)
'the LS1 will 'smoke' a GT if its anything longer than a quarter mile'
(cause its up top is better than the gearing/powercurve of the 3v 4.6)
That still doesn't signify any LS1 'smoking' any GTs, more saying than any GT will 'smoke' an LS1. Nor did we say that anywhere.
Back to the point, the term to 'smoke' is to pretty much decimate or obliterate. I don't see either of those cars doing that to each other.
Also you can look at trap times all you want, all a lower trap time means is that the car gained more speed in the beginning or end...
13.3@ 'x' or 13.3@ 'y'
1320 feet is 1320 feet, you can argue all you want about which car will 'gain' after that....but a 1/4 mile race ENDs at the quarter mile last time I checked.
The LS1 is plain and simple a more powerful car. The GT has a great rear suspension that allows it to hook up well. This is why it posts such great 1/4 times. Compare the 60' times of both cars and the GT has a significant advantage. A well driven stock LS1 C5/F-body can cut high 12s in the 1/4. The best stock time I have seen from the GT is 13.2. The LS1 is faster by roughly .3-.5 tenths down the 1/4. If you were to keep going past a 1/4 mile into higher triple digit speeds, it wouldnt be pretty for the GT.
I haven't heard of many LS1's running in the 12's. Low 13's, yes. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it is definately a big exception.
Now, we've had 05 GT's running 13.3-13.6sec consistantly. So, I'd say the gap is about 0.2-0.3sec max.
And yes, past the quarter the LS1 would start pulling away. [/b][/quote]
With so little data on the GT out right now, lets compare the best vs best. Evan Smith ran a 12.8 in a 98 SS. That's .5 better than the best bone stock GT time I have read about. Our best advantage in running a Z28 would be from a dig. The new GT seems to be real quick down the 1/8, but runs out of steam a bit after that. The LS1 is just warming up after the 1/8 mile. My friend C5 pulls real hard in the higher gears.
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Nowhere am I mentioning C5, only F-Bodies.
Ok, your using times of a professional driver of Evan Smith compared to 'Average Joe' at the track.
Most LS1 drivers on their best day couldn't hit off less than 13.0 if their life depended on it (stock) Don't ever look at 'BEST' look at 'AVERAGE'
And now you're saying 'with so little 05 data'
Dans right, its not a 'smoking' or what have you. Its close and a drivers race.
Back to reality....
Ok, your using times of a professional driver of Evan Smith compared to 'Average Joe' at the track.
Most LS1 drivers on their best day couldn't hit off less than 13.0 if their life depended on it (stock) Don't ever look at 'BEST' look at 'AVERAGE'
And now you're saying 'with so little 05 data'
Dans right, its not a 'smoking' or what have you. Its close and a drivers race.
Back to reality....
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For those interested in the dyno #'s made on mine, it'll make 270hp at the wheel on a Mustang dyno and 288hp at the wheel on a Dynojet.....I was told by the dyno guys that the 4.10 gears hurt the #'s also....I feel pretty good considering I'm losing with the gears and the automatic tranny and am STILL putting up very respectable #'s with just a few mods! For the question on the race against the GTO....I could see his grille through my quarter window....haha.....we raced from light to light...maybe an 1/8th of a mile or so....was awesome! later all... 
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Equates to about 350 hp at the flywheel and that's more then enough with these gears and a decent driver to kill most anything that you'll come across that wants to get it on......these new stangs are amazing and when the blowers come down in price to the 3750 range you're gonna see a bunch of blown '05's kick some major chevy tail on the streets! Can't wait to see it.... 
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Originally posted by Boomer@December 26, 2004, 9:33 AM
Nowhere am I mentioning C5, only F-Bodies.
Ok, your using times of a professional driver of Evan Smith compared to 'Average Joe' at the track.
Most LS1 drivers on their best day couldn't hit off less than 13.0 if their life depended on it (stock) Don't ever look at 'BEST' look at 'AVERAGE'
And now you're saying 'with so little 05 data'
Dans right, its not a 'smoking' or what have you. Its close and a drivers race.
Back to reality....
Nowhere am I mentioning C5, only F-Bodies.
Ok, your using times of a professional driver of Evan Smith compared to 'Average Joe' at the track.
Most LS1 drivers on their best day couldn't hit off less than 13.0 if their life depended on it (stock) Don't ever look at 'BEST' look at 'AVERAGE'
And now you're saying 'with so little 05 data'
Dans right, its not a 'smoking' or what have you. Its close and a drivers race.
Back to reality....
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You're fighting a losing battle because you're jumping all over the place.
I didn't bring the C5 or GTO, just the FBodies, nor did I say anywhere that the LS1 engine is crap. And by your arguement you're right,
if both cars were driven by robots, the FBody would probably win.
like i said, back to reality, where average joes are driving the cars that will never be driven exactly the same at any given time.
You're wrong to bring in the 'its a mustang site, so automatically my reasoning is skewed'. I'm being realistic...
I didn't bring the C5 or GTO, just the FBodies, nor did I say anywhere that the LS1 engine is crap. And by your arguement you're right,
if both cars were driven by robots, the FBody would probably win.
like i said, back to reality, where average joes are driving the cars that will never be driven exactly the same at any given time.
You're wrong to bring in the 'its a mustang site, so automatically my reasoning is skewed'. I'm being realistic...
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Originally posted by Boomer@December 26, 2004, 1:27 PM
You're fighting a losing battle because you're jumping all over the place.
I didn't bring the C5 or GTO, just the FBodies, nor did I say anywhere that the LS1 engine is crap. And by your arguement you're right,
if both cars were driven by robots, the FBody would probably win.
like i said, back to reality, where average joes are driving the cars that will never be driven exactly the same at any given time.
You're wrong to bring in the 'its a mustang site, so automatically my reasoning is skewed'. I'm being realistic...
You're fighting a losing battle because you're jumping all over the place.
I didn't bring the C5 or GTO, just the FBodies, nor did I say anywhere that the LS1 engine is crap. And by your arguement you're right,
if both cars were driven by robots, the FBody would probably win.
like i said, back to reality, where average joes are driving the cars that will never be driven exactly the same at any given time.
You're wrong to bring in the 'its a mustang site, so automatically my reasoning is skewed'. I'm being realistic...
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