almost everyone lies to or is deceptive at their jobs. [/b][/quote]
Kevin I agree... no salesman bashing required

Moral of the story, get everything in writing and think things over before you sign. Buying this car is exciting, but at the same time you can get stinked in by the excitement and get a bad deal

 

Almost Everyone lies or is deceptive at their jobs???? Really??? That's a very sad way of thinking. They would all be fired if they worked for me. I take pride in my job, and I would not think of lying or being deceptive.

 

Almost Everyone lies or is deceptive at their jobs???? Really??? That's a very sad way of thinking. They would all be fired if they worked for me. I take pride in my job, and I would not think of lying or being deceptive. [/b][/quote]
i tend to agree with you ace.

 

whats funny is the customers are usually the scum under my shoes
they lie the WORST
i have never ripped off a single person when i sold cars but was lie too consistantly by the customers

 

I agree that some customers will lie to get a better price. They are playing "The Game" I HATE the game. Tell me the price...If I don't like it, I'll go somewhere else. Nowadays I do my research on the net. Email a bunch of dealers to get the best deal dealing with the internet managers.

 

and so it goes.................


There is good and bad everywhere. Most of it in the car business is easy to spot if you pay attention. It is different when you walk up and buy it with a personal check like any other comodity. When you are using other people's money to posess something they will want to make money for giving you something you don't immediately own. You are literally leaving the dealer with someone else's car that put all the risk in YOU to pay it off over time. As for pre-orders with unclear stipulations not written down on a contract, whos fault is that? Regardless of how a deal may end up, bad or not, who is the one that ultimately agrees to the terms and signs the paperwork? If a dealer is breaking an official contract ater the fact its one thing, if a customer doesn't like what they knowingly signed is another. You can not get 'ripped off' on something you signed OK on, you do it to yourself. If the dealer is offering a price you don't want to spend, go somewhere else, just like buying shoes or a TV.

Like I was saying, Paul from the other thread is having trouble and can not get his deposit back, thats a different story.

 

While I agree that this particular person/dealership is scum (no doubt), you should not be so harsh towards salesman. I have been on both sides (a salesman and a consumer). A GOOD salesman would be there with the information, help you with your decision, and make you happy you made your purchase. :yes:

Like anyone, a bad lawyer, doctor, etc......they can have the same effect on your opinion. Just make sure you don't lump every person in a particular profession as scum.

Another thing I would consider is: speaking with the General Manager of that dealership. If you get no adequate response from them, file a complaint with a Ford Rep/FoMoCo, and let the GM of the Dealership know that is your intent.
They will listen, and the dealership will get de-merits against them.

Also, make sure you let the gm know that you are telling your friends of your experience at his dealership. He may get an attitude adjustment.

Again, lesson learned--GET IT IN WRITING!!! Or you will pay...

 

I wouldnt walk away from the dealer with an 'order' without the GM's signature and meeting him/her for a minute before you leave. All of our hybrid orders are fully detailed on the buyers order with the salesman/the sales manager/and the GM's signature. Some of the first customers that had 'msrp' on them were told to come back in and we wrote the prices and ammended the contracts.

 

kick him in the ding ding!

 

:shock:

 

Crispy and Kevin are correct, if you want to protect yourself in any transaction, especially if money is going to change hands, commit the agreement to writing. I agree with a lot of folks on here that most salesmen are not thieves--they're just trying to make a living like any of us. Shop around, or better yet, wait a few months, then you'll be able to get the car you want for a reasonable price.

With the new Mustang it is hard to wait, I know, but I think it best that no one gets in such a hurry to buy one that he or she throws caution to the wind--you'll just get hammered. The 05 "stang is going to be a short term cash cows, and cash cows don't come along very often for dealerships. I think a lot of salesman are banking on being able to make some serious dough over the next few months--selling 05s at top dollar to those fighting to have the first one in town. With that said, I still think, if you want an 05 mustang soon, that you can find a decent deal if you look at other dealerships even if it means waiting a few more weeks (you've waited this long, what's another month or two).

My cash cow story: I took my Mom to look at a t-bird convertible a few years back (6 months after they first came out), the salesman and GM wouldn't even let her drive the car. Mind you, she's a bank VP and I'm a Lawyer. Both of us swore off that dealership. What did we do? I called a dealership in a neighboring town and what do ya know, a week or two later she got to test drive a bird--which she promptly drove through the lot of the first dealership--smiling and waving to the GM. It took a few more weeks, but she got the car she wanted, at a good price and she didn't have to take any "crud" from a jerk. The salesman we found at the other dealership has been very professional and has sold my family 2 cars since.

So, don't get mad, shop around--You'll enjoy your new stang as much in December as you would in October. Right???

 

Kevinb like I said before I have a buyers order singed by the Sales manager but not the GM do you think that would be good?It is all down on paper with a 500 deposit.

 

You should be ok, most GM's are easilly accessable, never think too much about asking for them though.

 

That is the perception about ALL carsalesman, but that just isn't true. There are honorable, honest, salesman out there it's just that some of them ruin it for everybody else! My dad used to sell cars for a while when the economy was bad (he worked in a manufacturing job and it went under), and he was an honest salesman. He isn't that great of a salesman because he's honest with people, but he did sell a few cars. The point is, don't make generalizations like that when they aren't true.

 

question?? Is it up to the dealer if they want to accept the x-plan. i know they are alotted so many cars but an order should be different.I would call Detroit and file a complaint with Ford. I also had a problem with Ford when I was younger buying a 1989 GT. After one phone call to Detroit, They were kissing my ****.
IT is us that provide the income for Ford employees. It is us that should be treated right. I'm sure Ford would not appreciate the service of some of its employees.I'm reading too many complaints on how people are being treated by dealerships.
The dealer said "Why should I make $600 when I can make $6000. OH Boy, Let me call Ford for ya !!!! I wonder if Ford knows whats going on in some of their dealerships? I bet not!!!

 

That is the perception about ALL carsalesman, but that just isn't true. There are honorable, honest, salesman out there it's just that some of them ruin it for everybody else! [/b][/quote]
Out of about 35 salespeople in both our dealers, I dont know of one I would be uncomfortable buying a car from. The best salespeople we have probably know the least about the products.

 

Thank you for the reply Kevinb, when I went in it only took about 30 min. to get it all done very easy to deal with. Most of the time I have to talk the guys down all they did was check numbers and do the paper work.If it goes this easy the whole way these guys will get all my business and my friends as well.

 

Out of about 35 salespeople in both our dealers, I dont know of one I would be uncomfortable buying a car from. The best salespeople we have probably know the least about the products. [/b][/quote]
I know more about Ford's product then most car salesman. I intimidate them when I go to a dealer, despite my age (17). (Not bragging, but it is the truth .. it's kinda funny to see them look uncomfortable.) In any case, a lot of dealers here were instructed not to try and tell anybody about the new Mustang or the new F-150 because they assume that the consumer probably already knows more than they do.

 

I try not to overwhelm people with PK. Most people do not need to know everything anyway. I tone down myself, and only focus on what they think is important. Most owners do not realized that they have hydroformed frame rails and aluminum double wishbone suspension on thier expeditions. They like the AC seats- 'ohh my butt tingles' You do not need to know much about cars to sell them. Someone that is a gearhead will most likely be more of an inventory search then a sell anyway. I let them go if they are incorrect too, unless its relative. I dumb it down all the time untill its needed. You never know how much a good salesperson really knows. Customers like to talk about themselves and what they like, you just guide them into picking their own vehicle. If you contest what they think they know and change thier minds for them, they never feel good about the choice. Its all about control, the more they think they are in control, the eaiser it is to control the sale. Sometimes people just need positive reafermation that they are making the right choice.

Also, being 17 and a car magazine guru is not the same as getting ready to lay out forty-five thousand dollars and take it home.

 

And this is a good thing?