2005-2009 Mustang Information on The S197 {Gen1}

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Old May 8, 2007 | 08:11 AM
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if you really want to go fast and save a ton of money - buy any number of sport bikes for half the money of a mustang.

if you want a car that will hold its value quite well - is a surprisingly comfortable ride - pretty darn good performance bone stock - and the ability to go quicker for a relatively small amount of money - get the mustang.

if you want to impress your neighbors 14 yr old kid - get the evo
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Old May 8, 2007 | 10:12 AM
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or if your a guy like me that likes all things motoring for their own reasons. buy all three.
because:
1. you've never felt "fast" until you ride a sport bike, and the feeling is addictive, but you have to keep it in check.

2. The mustang is just awesome, just a great sounding, fast beauty of a car.

3. the evo, turbo 4 cylinder with awesome power, great grip and a decent awd system, talk about 4 seasons of a great ride, that will get half decent mileage on the highway (not saying that the mustang doesnt, but this will too) although my thing is that i would pick the subaru sti over an evo, not beacuse of looks or anything, just the awd system is better, and the engine will last a lot longer. and sound cooler too
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Old May 8, 2007 | 10:20 AM
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anyone thinking mustang gt with cai and tune is fast needs meds. it's not.

and i agree with Cheese302, i've been driving fast bikes all my life... and "fast" is something 180 rwhp GSX-R1000 will do.
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Old May 8, 2007 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by mvon919
anyone thinking mustang gt with cai and tune is fast needs meds. it's not.

and i agree with Cheese302, i've been driving fast bikes all my life... and "fast" is something 180 rwhp GSX-R1000 will do.

eh i find my gt to be decently quick. the only sport bike i have had the chance to ride yet is an 07 yamaha r6. that is sick
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Old May 8, 2007 | 10:34 AM
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sure. there's many "decently quick" cars... you don't want to race them with decently quick stang.
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Old May 8, 2007 | 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by mvon919
sure. there's many "decently quick" cars... you don't want to race them with decently quick stang.

well i dont race my car, so whatever your post means.. yeah i guess.
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Old May 8, 2007 | 11:24 AM
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I'm not sure what that means either Mustang is plenty fast for public roads, I didn't buy it to race it. You will run into a faster car about 1 in 1000 in normal traffic. I sold my bike too because I was starting to do 150+ every day on the way to work, I don't want to turn into a grease stain, its like a drug. I think I'm picking up a Duc monster next time around to keep me from going too nuts with it.
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Old May 8, 2007 | 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by kevinb120
I'm not sure what that means either Mustang is plenty fast for public roads, I didn't buy it to race it. You will run into a faster car about 1 in 1000 in normal traffic. I sold my bike too because I was starting to do 150+ every day on the way to work, I don't want to turn into a grease stain, its like a drug. I think I'm picking up a Duc monster next time around to keep me from going too nuts with it.

ducs are cool, but need a ot of valve adjustment. i would do buy one. but i think my next bike is going to be a road star warrior. I mentioned the r6 but thats a friends, not my own. he kinda lets me roll on it sometimes, because he learned how to ride on my 85 maxim
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Old May 8, 2007 | 11:55 AM
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They're not like they used to be. First service on an S2 is now 6000 miles.


Anyhew, I like my car. Its not my fault that everyone who spent ten, twenty or fifty thousand more feels so intimidated by it.
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Old May 8, 2007 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by mvon919
anyone thinking mustang gt with cai and tune is fast needs meds. it's not.
Depends on your perspective. It's all relative. Anyone piloting an F16 will tell you that a sport bike is slow.
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Old May 9, 2007 | 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by kevinb120
They're not like they used to be. First service on an S2 is now 6000 miles.


Anyhew, I like my car. Its not my fault that everyone who spent ten, twenty or fifty thousand more feels so intimidated by it.
yeah i was actually thinking that every 6000 was pretty frequent, thats all. i am sure its not hard since it has to be done so often. its all good, i love those bikes
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Old May 9, 2007 | 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by theedge67
Found this about the Galant VR-4's

...resulting in a potent 195 hp at 6,000 rpm and 203 ft. lbs. of torque at 3,000 rpm. The Dual Engine Stabilizersâ„¢ spin parallel to the crankshaft and utilize counterweights to help offset vibrations commonly found in large displacement four-cylinder engines."

Nothing a V6 Mustang couldn't handle, unless there has been work done to it to up the boost on the turbo.
Tisk, Tisk, Tisk... It never ceases to amaze me at the lack of understanding when it comes to forced induction. A FI car with 200hp/200ftlbs, will smoke a N/A car with the same. Torque curves are almost always more agressive with FI. That is why so many of the Japanese Pocket Rockets can smoke so many of us. Even thought their car is only rated at 230 HP, many of them can easily walk a V8 with 260-280 HP. If work has been done, even slight work, it would be relativily easy for him to walk the new 4.6 3V. Like they said, "know you're competition"
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Old May 9, 2007 | 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Hollywood_North GT
THANK YOU, 97svtgoin05gt, you just made my point for me, and that is this >>

Any comparisons must be made using a stock vs. stock benchmark, otherwise this thread is completely useless.

Sure, you can mod up a 2.0L four-banger and it will toast a Mustang GT. But put the same money into a Mustang GT, and it's game over for the little high-revving wheezer. And if you boost a four-banger's pressure way beyond what is sensible, prepare yourself for regular reliability issues and rebuilds...and the likelihood of grenading your engine - more $$ still.

Remember the golden rule: There's no replacement for displacement. Except, of course, for greatly reduced weight.



"Mediocre performance"? "Many faster cars..."? I don't think so. Once again, the bottom line is this: The Mustang GT is capable of hitting 60 in 4.9 seconds bone stock (Road & Track test). Let's make a list right here of cars within $10K of the Mustang's price range that can equal or beat that >>

Anyone...?
Taken a stock SRT-4 Neon up against your mustang?? $21K car vs. $27K car. Stock vs. Stock. I bet you lose. Heck they can even add on Mopar's warranteed upgrade package for a couple grand more and still be cheaper then the stang.
Evo does 0-06 in 4.7 around $32K
04-05 WRX Sti 0-06 4.7 again $32K
Of course both of these can be driven all winter long with no traction issues Not to mention the adjustable center differential allowing the driver to choose between RWD and 50/50 AWD.
Personally I don't care about 5 seconds of a race. Who finishes the race first matters. When a car can hold full torque from 3kRPM to redline, it's hard to keep up.

Having said all of that. I traded my 96 3000GT VR4 in for a 00 roush stg 1, traded my 98 Eclipse GSX for a 04 roush stg 2, and my STi I sold for my wife's Ford Freestyle().
Design plays a heavy role in my purchase of vehicles and there are very few out there with any taste at all. Mustang stands out.

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Old May 9, 2007 | 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by jarradasay
Taken a stock SRT-4 Neon up against your mustang?? $21K car vs. $27K car. Stock vs. Stock. I bet you lose.
....uh no.
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Old May 9, 2007 | 11:38 AM
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I've driven a dozen of those SRT4 things, what a piece of ****, not ifs ands or buts about it. One of the worst cars in 15 years. They are junk as neons and superjunk when you overpower the worst platform in modern times next to the cavalier.
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Old May 9, 2007 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by kevinb120
I've driven a dozen of those SRT4 things, what a piece of ****, not ifs ands or buts about it. One of the worst cars in 15 years. They are junk as neons and superjunk when you overpower the worst platform in modern times next to the cavalier.


WHOW.... i have a cavalier. come on man
(and i f'ing hate it)
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Old May 9, 2007 | 12:39 PM
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The new SRT4 slightly beats my GT. 2000 GT Auto Vert with CAI and exhaust. In a 1/4 mile it's maybe a 1/2 car length in front of me. Those things are way overrated, and over priced. I'd buy a Saturn ION Redline before that p.o.s.
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Old May 9, 2007 | 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by JeffD
if you really want to go fast and save a ton of money - buy any number of sport bikes for half the money of a mustang.

if you want a car that will hold its value quite well - is a surprisingly comfortable ride - pretty darn good performance bone stock - and the ability to go quicker for a relatively small amount of money - get the mustang.

if you want to impress your neighbors 14 yr old kid - get the evo
if im that 14 year old kid, im gonna egg that evo
but if was a stang i'd pay him to ride in it
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Old May 9, 2007 | 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by jarradasay
Taken a stock SRT-4 Neon up against your mustang?? $21K car vs. $27K car. Stock vs. Stock. I bet you lose. Heck they can even add on Mopar's warranteed upgrade package for a couple grand more and still be cheaper then the stang.

Uhmmm...I don't think so. They are quick little toys, but stock for stock a Stang should take it. I personally smoked 2 with ease when my car was bone stock. The lowest 0-60 I've seen on them is 5.6 vs. the Stang's 4.9-5.2. And the quater shows low 14s vs. the Stang's mid to high 13s.

I don't know how you came to the conclusion that they are faster than a Mustang (stock/stock).

And yah, they can throw on the upgrade kit, but they are still an ugly Neon.
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Old May 9, 2007 | 06:52 PM
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Although the SRT-4's are fast for what they are, I think some of you are giving them a little too much credit. Stock for stock with equal drivers, the GT will walk the SRT-4, but not by too much.

Now the problem here is that you're not going to run into a lot of stock SRT-4's on the street. The SRT's make power VERY easily, and inexpensively as well. They're only hindered by their FWD drivetrain, but still a very capable platform. Definitley a bargain for what they cost.
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