Ford Wants To Survey In The Future Mustang! Get Er Done!!!
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and a retractable hard top --- WAY COOL
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done.......
Sounds like the rumors are true. The bean counters at ford are well on their way to butchering this car.
Geee, just what I always wanted, a 4000 lb mustang with a retractable hardtop, heated cup holders, an IRS, and a paddle shifted auto behind a v6. Someone should scrape the ford badge off and put on a Lexus or Infiinity one.
In my survey I outlined a 400hp coupe with a full blown sports package, all the goodies, ready to go for 36K dollars. And as availible as checking an option box, no ADM's
Sounds like the rumors are true. The bean counters at ford are well on their way to butchering this car.
Geee, just what I always wanted, a 4000 lb mustang with a retractable hardtop, heated cup holders, an IRS, and a paddle shifted auto behind a v6. Someone should scrape the ford badge off and put on a Lexus or Infiinity one.
In my survey I outlined a 400hp coupe with a full blown sports package, all the goodies, ready to go for 36K dollars. And as availible as checking an option box, no ADM's
V6 Member
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Upmarket? Bring Back the Cougar or LSC!
done.......
Sounds like the rumors are true. The bean counters at ford are well on their way to butchering this car.
Geee, just what I always wanted, a 4000 lb mustang with a retractable hardtop, heated cup holders, an IRS, and a paddle shifted auto behind a v6. Someone should scrape the ford badge off and put on a Lexus or Infiinity one.
In my survey I outlined a 400hp coupe with a full blown sports package, all the goodies, ready to go for 36K dollars. And as availible as checking an option box, no ADM's
Sounds like the rumors are true. The bean counters at ford are well on their way to butchering this car.
Geee, just what I always wanted, a 4000 lb mustang with a retractable hardtop, heated cup holders, an IRS, and a paddle shifted auto behind a v6. Someone should scrape the ford badge off and put on a Lexus or Infiinity one.
In my survey I outlined a 400hp coupe with a full blown sports package, all the goodies, ready to go for 36K dollars. And as availible as checking an option box, no ADM's
Mach 1 Member
Joined: October 13, 2004
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+1 upmarket should be available but basic power should also!
My personal thoughts:
Engine Y: Presumably the 5.0 is coming either from the soon-to-be-enlarged Jag AJ V8, which I always thought was a great motor, or perhaps a production version of the Cammer 5.0. Either would be great, though I'd give the edge to the Jag motor.
Engine Z: This does give credence to the rumor that they are seriously considering a TT3.5. While I might prefer Engine Y for tone and heritage, Engine Z would be awesome too, especially at the same price point as Engine Y.
As to where they came from in the Ford family tree, either of the four would be perfectly fine. Interesting that they're contemplating foreign sourced motors here, perhaps the Jag/Rover link for the 5.0 and perhaps Mazda/Volvo will do the TT3.5? Not concerned as where the motors come from as long as we get great motors.
20" wheels? All style over function, not interested in pimping my ride, especially at $1.3K for pure posing. Geez, what are they casting these things out of, platinum?
Heated washer fluid? Why not, at only $25. Hell, they ought to make it standard for that little and market what a full-featured car the base, or at least GT, Stang is.
IRS? For only $200! Are you kidding! I'd take it for 5X that easily, probably 10X. This absolutely shatters the specious lie that IRS was innately too expensive. Probably the Aussie Control Blade piece, which has proven to be an excellent, affordable and rugged item down under.
Adaptive CC? Not interested, especially at a grand. The Stang is a car to be driven, not ridden.
Heated/cooled cupholders? Who cares? $75 bucks, I guess, but really, who cares.
Paddleshift? $100 bucks, sure, whatever. Presumably this is just for the ATX and not some DSG type tranny, which would be truly interesting -- ought to be standard on any ATX these days anyway, too late to be any great technological/feature push forward here to crow about.
6 speed tranny? Should have been standard a decade ago. Kind of silly as a $100 option (why bother with a 5 speed?), but if that's what it takes to get one, then of course.
Rear video camera? Dopey in a Stang, even at $3.75.
Rear park assist? $250's not too bad, probably go for it for dark parking lot piece of mind.
Retractable hardtop? Stang verts not my cup of tea to begin with, and a significantly greater toll on weight, complexity, price and luggage space make it that much less so. But the So Cal bleach blondes in the V6 Ponies would probably like it, so whatever.
Overall impression of questionaire: Sounds like Ford's getting serious about bringing the Stang fully up to date as a fully featured and fully capable 21st century performance car rather than resting on retro laurals riding on rather retro engineering in a market segment of one. I'll bet the Camaro and Challenger breathing down their necks is forcing a lot of this now -- ah, the power of real competition.
If they really do bring most of this stuff to market (don't discount the bean-counter's capacity to be penny-wise and pound-foolish and undercut a lot of this), especially the substantive stuff rather than fluff like heated cup holders (did they really ask this?), then the future looks a lot brighter for the Stang. Combine this real engineering meat with a decent styling update and the Stang may well hold its own against its upcoming challengers quite well.
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Engine Choices
I thought the engine questions were very interesting and close to the real possibilities. I remember hearing at the auto show that the new high-tech V6 was twin-turbo capable and I think they even had a concept car like this. It is attractive with better fuel economy and the same power, but then I thought about it more and came up with this response on why I would choose the larger V8 instead:
"There are a lot more points of failure and reliability issues with a twin-turbo setup. Put in a six-speed, cyllinder deactivation and direction injection on the big V8 for better HW MPG. Save the twin-turbo 6 for the next Probe and keep the V8 muscle-car heritage alive in the Mustang."
"There are a lot more points of failure and reliability issues with a twin-turbo setup. Put in a six-speed, cyllinder deactivation and direction injection on the big V8 for better HW MPG. Save the twin-turbo 6 for the next Probe and keep the V8 muscle-car heritage alive in the Mustang."
Closet American
Joined: July 17, 2005
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From: Vancouver, BC (Hollywood North)
Or at least focus on the real performance enhancements (IRS, 6 speed, paddle shifter), which is appropriate for the Stang, rather than pure luxo-fluff frills (retractable hardtop, heated cup holders), which would better fit a neo Mercury Cougar or something.
My personal thoughts:
Engine Y: Presumably the 5.0 is coming either from the soon-to-be-enlarged Jag AJ V8, which I always thought was a great motor, or perhaps a production version of the Cammer 5.0. Either would be great, though I'd give the edge to the Jag motor.
Engine Z: This does give credence to the rumor that they are seriously considering a TT3.5. While I might prefer Engine Y for tone and heritage, Engine Z would be awesome too, especially at the same price point as Engine Y.
As to where they came from in the Ford family tree, either of the four would be perfectly fine. Interesting that they're contemplating foreign sourced motors here, perhaps the Jag/Rover link for the 5.0 and perhaps Mazda/Volvo will do the TT3.5? Not concerned as where the motors come from as long as we get great motors.
20" wheels? All style over function, not interested in pimping my ride, especially at $1.3K for pure posing. Geez, what are they casting these things out of, platinum?
Heated washer fluid? Why not, at only $25. Hell, they ought to make it standard for that little and market what a full-featured car the base, or at least GT, Stang is.
IRS? For only $200! Are you kidding! I'd take it for 5X that easily, probably 10X. This absolutely shatters the specious lie that IRS was innately too expensive. Probably the Aussie Control Blade piece, which has proven to be an excellent, affordable and rugged item down under.
Adaptive CC? Not interested, especially at a grand. The Stang is a car to be driven, not ridden.
Heated/cooled cupholders? Who cares? $75 bucks, I guess, but really, who cares.
Paddleshift? $100 bucks, sure, whatever. Presumably this is just for the ATX and not some DSG type tranny, which would be truly interesting -- ought to be standard on any ATX these days anyway, too late to be any great technological/feature push forward here to crow about.
6 speed tranny? Should have been standard a decade ago. Kind of silly as a $100 option (why bother with a 5 speed?), but if that's what it takes to get one, then of course.
Rear video camera? Dopey in a Stang, even at $3.75.
Rear park assist? $250's not too bad, probably go for it for dark parking lot piece of mind.
Retractable hardtop? Stang verts not my cup of tea to begin with, and a significantly greater toll on weight, complexity, price and luggage space make it that much less so. But the So Cal bleach blondes in the V6 Ponies would probably like it, so whatever.
Overall impression of questionaire: Sounds like Ford's getting serious about bringing the Stang fully up to date as a fully featured and fully capable 21st century performance car rather than resting on retro laurals riding on rather retro engineering in a market segment of one. I'll bet the Camaro and Challenger breathing down their necks is forcing a lot of this now -- ah, the power of real competition.
If they really do bring most of this stuff to market (don't discount the bean-counter's capacity to be penny-wise and pound-foolish and undercut a lot of this), especially the substantive stuff rather than fluff like heated cup holders (did they really ask this?), then the future looks a lot brighter for the Stang. Combine this real engineering meat with a decent styling update and the Stang may well hold its own against its upcoming challengers quite well.
My personal thoughts:
Engine Y: Presumably the 5.0 is coming either from the soon-to-be-enlarged Jag AJ V8, which I always thought was a great motor, or perhaps a production version of the Cammer 5.0. Either would be great, though I'd give the edge to the Jag motor.
Engine Z: This does give credence to the rumor that they are seriously considering a TT3.5. While I might prefer Engine Y for tone and heritage, Engine Z would be awesome too, especially at the same price point as Engine Y.
As to where they came from in the Ford family tree, either of the four would be perfectly fine. Interesting that they're contemplating foreign sourced motors here, perhaps the Jag/Rover link for the 5.0 and perhaps Mazda/Volvo will do the TT3.5? Not concerned as where the motors come from as long as we get great motors.
20" wheels? All style over function, not interested in pimping my ride, especially at $1.3K for pure posing. Geez, what are they casting these things out of, platinum?
Heated washer fluid? Why not, at only $25. Hell, they ought to make it standard for that little and market what a full-featured car the base, or at least GT, Stang is.
IRS? For only $200! Are you kidding! I'd take it for 5X that easily, probably 10X. This absolutely shatters the specious lie that IRS was innately too expensive. Probably the Aussie Control Blade piece, which has proven to be an excellent, affordable and rugged item down under.
Adaptive CC? Not interested, especially at a grand. The Stang is a car to be driven, not ridden.
Heated/cooled cupholders? Who cares? $75 bucks, I guess, but really, who cares.
Paddleshift? $100 bucks, sure, whatever. Presumably this is just for the ATX and not some DSG type tranny, which would be truly interesting -- ought to be standard on any ATX these days anyway, too late to be any great technological/feature push forward here to crow about.
6 speed tranny? Should have been standard a decade ago. Kind of silly as a $100 option (why bother with a 5 speed?), but if that's what it takes to get one, then of course.
Rear video camera? Dopey in a Stang, even at $3.75.
Rear park assist? $250's not too bad, probably go for it for dark parking lot piece of mind.
Retractable hardtop? Stang verts not my cup of tea to begin with, and a significantly greater toll on weight, complexity, price and luggage space make it that much less so. But the So Cal bleach blondes in the V6 Ponies would probably like it, so whatever.
Overall impression of questionaire: Sounds like Ford's getting serious about bringing the Stang fully up to date as a fully featured and fully capable 21st century performance car rather than resting on retro laurals riding on rather retro engineering in a market segment of one. I'll bet the Camaro and Challenger breathing down their necks is forcing a lot of this now -- ah, the power of real competition.
If they really do bring most of this stuff to market (don't discount the bean-counter's capacity to be penny-wise and pound-foolish and undercut a lot of this), especially the substantive stuff rather than fluff like heated cup holders (did they really ask this?), then the future looks a lot brighter for the Stang. Combine this real engineering meat with a decent styling update and the Stang may well hold its own against its upcoming challengers quite well.
Closet American
Joined: July 17, 2005
Posts: 5,851
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From: Vancouver, BC (Hollywood North)
Keep the frilly things like rear video cameras, paddle shifters, heated/cooled & illuminated cup holders, vibrating seats, footwell shoe polishers, retractable ceiling hairdryers, etc, etc off this car, and focus on getting the basic performance/comfort/convenience things right first, i.e. >>
- competitive V8
- 6-speed transmission
- IRS
- proper ride height
- grab handles
- auto retracting passenger seat
- heated side mirrors
- and, of course, greater overall refinement, etc.
Nobody expects this to be a luxury car, but it should have the same level of comfort & convenience amenities as say...oh, a Honda Civic or Accord.
- competitive V8
- 6-speed transmission
- IRS
- proper ride height
- grab handles
- auto retracting passenger seat
- heated side mirrors
- and, of course, greater overall refinement, etc.
Nobody expects this to be a luxury car, but it should have the same level of comfort & convenience amenities as say...oh, a Honda Civic or Accord.
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Joined: February 1, 2004
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My $.02
Engine Y: Most likely a version of the new Jag 5.0L Nothing to say other than I approve
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Engine Z: I was initially against the TwinForce on a knee-jerk (Stang should be V8!!) reaction. But the more I think about it the more sense it makes. While my particular tastes go to V8s, there's no reason to shun those who'd be brought into the Mustang camp by this. After all, the Origional Fox Mustangs at one time featured a Turbo 4, so there's precedent. I'd even go so far as to say I'd prefer a 3.5 TT in a second Stang if I already had a V8.
20" wheels? No opinion. I don't care for them, but I'm not gonna rain on anyone else's parade.
Heated washer fluid? At $25? Sure! Espceially if I end up in a cold climate again (fingers crossed).
IRS? $200? Really? I this is true I'd take it.
Adaptive CC? Same as with the wheels: I don't want it but I don't mind if someone else does.
Heated/cooled cupholders? I'll take 'em. Gadgets always seem strange at first, then suddenly you can't imagine life without them.
Paddleshift? I lament that sequential-shift levers never became vogue, I like them more than paddles. But a manumatic's a manumatic, I'll take it.
6 speed tranny? Of course.
Rear video camera? Sightlines on my father's SN-95 can be pretty bad to the rear, so I can see it.
Rear park assist? I rarely if ever back into a spot, so no real opinion.
Retractable hardtop? An emphatic yes. The weight and price penalties area worry, but the added style, safety, and security of this aare not to be missed. I prefer coupes to 'verts, but this would make me think twice...perhaps 3 times....
To Sum up: The Mustang is king of it's segment, and Ford doesn't want anyone to forget that. I'm just amazed at the potential range in Mustang models if all the options in the survey were to go through. You could have a cheap, stylish secretary's car, a fire-breathing muscle coupe, a drop-top cruiser, a nimble American road-rocket to eat imports, a daily commuter with a wild side, a true road racer, etc etc etc.
Engine Y: Most likely a version of the new Jag 5.0L Nothing to say other than I approve
.Engine Z: I was initially against the TwinForce on a knee-jerk (Stang should be V8!!) reaction. But the more I think about it the more sense it makes. While my particular tastes go to V8s, there's no reason to shun those who'd be brought into the Mustang camp by this. After all, the Origional Fox Mustangs at one time featured a Turbo 4, so there's precedent. I'd even go so far as to say I'd prefer a 3.5 TT in a second Stang if I already had a V8.
20" wheels? No opinion. I don't care for them, but I'm not gonna rain on anyone else's parade.
Heated washer fluid? At $25? Sure! Espceially if I end up in a cold climate again (fingers crossed).
IRS? $200? Really? I this is true I'd take it.
Adaptive CC? Same as with the wheels: I don't want it but I don't mind if someone else does.
Heated/cooled cupholders? I'll take 'em. Gadgets always seem strange at first, then suddenly you can't imagine life without them.
Paddleshift? I lament that sequential-shift levers never became vogue, I like them more than paddles. But a manumatic's a manumatic, I'll take it.
6 speed tranny? Of course.
Rear video camera? Sightlines on my father's SN-95 can be pretty bad to the rear, so I can see it.
Rear park assist? I rarely if ever back into a spot, so no real opinion.
Retractable hardtop? An emphatic yes. The weight and price penalties area worry, but the added style, safety, and security of this aare not to be missed. I prefer coupes to 'verts, but this would make me think twice...perhaps 3 times....
To Sum up: The Mustang is king of it's segment, and Ford doesn't want anyone to forget that. I'm just amazed at the potential range in Mustang models if all the options in the survey were to go through. You could have a cheap, stylish secretary's car, a fire-breathing muscle coupe, a drop-top cruiser, a nimble American road-rocket to eat imports, a daily commuter with a wild side, a true road racer, etc etc etc.
Closet American
Joined: July 17, 2005
Posts: 5,851
Likes: 1
From: Vancouver, BC (Hollywood North)
Closet American
Joined: July 17, 2005
Posts: 5,851
Likes: 1
From: Vancouver, BC (Hollywood North)
My $.02
Engine Y: Most likely a version of the new Jag 5.0L Nothing to say other than I approve.
Engine Z: I was initially against the TwinForce on a knee-jerk (Stang should be V8!!) reaction. But the more I think about it the more sense it makes. While my particular tastes go to V8s, there's no reason to shun those who'd be brought into the Mustang camp by this. After all, the Origional Fox Mustangs at one time featured a Turbo 4, so there's precedent. I'd even go so far as to say I'd prefer a 3.5 TT in a second Stang if I already had a V8.
20" wheels? No opinion. I don't care for them, but I'm not gonna rain on anyone else's parade.
Heated washer fluid? At $25? Sure! Espceially if I end up in a cold climate again (fingers crossed).
IRS? $200? Really? I this is true I'd take it.
Adaptive CC? Same as with the wheels: I don't want it but I don't mind if someone else does.
Heated/cooled cupholders? I'll take 'em. Gadgets always seem strange at first, then suddenly you can't imagine life without them.
Paddleshift? I lament that sequential-shift levers never became vogue, I like them more than paddles. But a manumatic's a manumatic, I'll take it.
6 speed tranny? Of course.
Rear video camera? Sightlines on my father's SN-95 can be pretty bad to the rear, so I can see it.
Rear park assist? I rarely if ever back into a spot, so no real opinion.
Retractable hardtop? An emphatic yes. The weight and price penalties area worry, but the added style, safety, and security of this aare not to be missed. I prefer coupes to 'verts, but this would make me think twice...perhaps 3 times....
To Sum up: The Mustang is king of it's segment, and Ford doesn't want anyone to forget that. I'm just amazed at the potential range in Mustang models if all the options in the survey were to go through. You could have a cheap, stylish secretary's car, a fire-breathing muscle coupe, a drop-top cruiser, a nimble American road-rocket to eat imports, a daily commuter with a wild side, a true road racer, etc etc etc.
Engine Y: Most likely a version of the new Jag 5.0L Nothing to say other than I approve
.Engine Z: I was initially against the TwinForce on a knee-jerk (Stang should be V8!!) reaction. But the more I think about it the more sense it makes. While my particular tastes go to V8s, there's no reason to shun those who'd be brought into the Mustang camp by this. After all, the Origional Fox Mustangs at one time featured a Turbo 4, so there's precedent. I'd even go so far as to say I'd prefer a 3.5 TT in a second Stang if I already had a V8.
20" wheels? No opinion. I don't care for them, but I'm not gonna rain on anyone else's parade.
Heated washer fluid? At $25? Sure! Espceially if I end up in a cold climate again (fingers crossed).
IRS? $200? Really? I this is true I'd take it.
Adaptive CC? Same as with the wheels: I don't want it but I don't mind if someone else does.
Heated/cooled cupholders? I'll take 'em. Gadgets always seem strange at first, then suddenly you can't imagine life without them.
Paddleshift? I lament that sequential-shift levers never became vogue, I like them more than paddles. But a manumatic's a manumatic, I'll take it.
6 speed tranny? Of course.
Rear video camera? Sightlines on my father's SN-95 can be pretty bad to the rear, so I can see it.
Rear park assist? I rarely if ever back into a spot, so no real opinion.
Retractable hardtop? An emphatic yes. The weight and price penalties area worry, but the added style, safety, and security of this aare not to be missed. I prefer coupes to 'verts, but this would make me think twice...perhaps 3 times....
To Sum up: The Mustang is king of it's segment, and Ford doesn't want anyone to forget that. I'm just amazed at the potential range in Mustang models if all the options in the survey were to go through. You could have a cheap, stylish secretary's car, a fire-breathing muscle coupe, a drop-top cruiser, a nimble American road-rocket to eat imports, a daily commuter with a wild side, a true road racer, etc etc etc.
