dswhalen

I stopped by a large Ford Dealer while on biz in Phoenix. The lot was full of GT's. The sales manager said that every lot in Phoenix was loaded with GT's. I counted 16 GT verts alone.

It seems that high gas prices are slowing Mustang GT sales The sales manager said he would wheel and deal on any GT on his lot.

This makes me want to wait on the GT500 hype. If gas stays high--will we see GT500's on the lot waiting for a deal in less than a year? Hmmmmm [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/headscratch.gif[/img]

05CapePony

I have seen the same around here on the Cape and in the Boston area. The frenzied hipe seems to have cooled some on the GT's. Most dealers I talked to said the V6 models still move pretty good. I doubt this will effect any of the GT500 Shelbys. A completely different buyer with more means to get one. Then again I didn't and I am sure most of you did not buy the GT for the gas mileage.

MusicMan66

What do they expect? When they're charging $3-5K over MSRP for them, of COURSE they're going to become overstocked. Increased supply + constant demand = lower prices. Now's the time to make a deal! Demand may be levelling out a bit, true. But trust me, it's not the gas prices. With a tune a buddy of mine's GT gets gas mileage almost as good as my I35.

Ranger

IMO the first year for the GT500 will be completely NUTS with people paying whatever. However, in a year, who knows???

incomingRPG

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dswhalen @ April 28, 2006, 3:18 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
I stopped by a large Ford Dealer while on biz in Phoenix. The lot was full of GT's. The sales manager said that every lot in Phoenix was loaded with GT's. I counted 16 GT verts alone.

It seems that high gas prices are slowing Mustang GT sales The sales manager said he would wheel and deal on any GT on his lot.

This makes me want to wait on the GT500 hype. If gas stays high--will we see GT500's on the lot waiting for a deal in less than a year? Hmmmmm [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/headscratch.gif[/img]
[/b][/quote]Your dealer just called, he wants to know what the @#$% you're thinking [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/nono.gif[/img] , he suggests you follow these thoughts posted by you here: http://forums.bradbarnett.net/index....pic=47103&st=0 [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrinjester.gif[/img]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(05CapePony @ April 28, 2006, 6:50 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
I have seen the same around here on the Cape and in the Boston area. The frenzied hipe seems to have cooled some on the GT's. Most dealers I talked to said the V6 models still move pretty good. I doubt this will effect any of the GT500 Shelbys. A completely different buyer with more means to get one. Then again I didn't and I am sure most of you did not buy the GT for the gas mileage.
[/b][/quote]That's good news, funny Herb Chambers (One of the largest dealer's in New England, they own everything everywhere.) has $5000 AMV charges on his GT's in Westborough, Mass. What are you seeing out on the Cape and in Boston on GT's?

FinlayZJ

In the Atlanta area I only see only a few GT's on lots. AMV has been gone for some time now, and I know you can get invoice at quite a few dealerships w/o any hassle.

pvillepiper

The local dealers are low on GTs here, plenty of V6s. I am getting a Vista Blue GT premium for 2% under factay invoice. This is the best deal on a new GT I have seen in a long time!

nynvolt

Probably depends on your local areas demand for the car. The hype has certainly settled down now that you'll see ten or more 05+ Mustangs on your daily drive to work. I haven't check any dealerships around my area since Febuary, my last oil change. What few GT's they had on the lot then, still had a market adjustment and tacky add on components to bump up the price.

Doubt very much it's the 30 extra cents we're paying per gallon of gas since december 04. Who buys a V8, or V6 car if fuel economy is their primary concerne? They get a Honda or Toyota.

It's still going to hurt to buy a GT500, bet you won't be able to touch one for MSRP.

Ballz

In a Cartman voice "2% under factay invoice"

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dswhalen

Perhaps the Southwest and Desert areas had a much higher allocation of Verts than other areas. I do know that rear wheel drive cars in Northern States don't sell as well as they do in--say--Texas, AZ or SoCal.

I had my 05 GT Vert from SoCal a good two months before any Utah dealer even got one.

Anyway, the dealer was Bell Ford in Peoria (a western suburb of Phoenix). They had a ton of stock GT's most had IUP and leather. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banana.gif[/img]

Clem

Dave,

I was just out your way recently - Phoenix to Zion National Park - and noticed a lot more GTs running around. Also saw a ton of V6 rentals getting beaten silly by German tourists. Those guys are nuts! It's still somewhat uncommon to see one in the DC area. Seems surprising considering the rediculous congestion in these parts.

Beautiful country you have out there, BTW. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumb.gif[/img] I visit every year to escape the crowds.

BuzzyStang05

Tucson, AZ - GT stock growing. Five months ago you still couldn't find one on the lot, much less test drive one. Last time I checked, one dealer had four GT's on the lot (all auto's). No markups.

kepfordj

Sioux Falls, SD Sioux Falls Ford has 42 cars in stock. I count 8 manual GT's, 3 auto GT verts and 15 auto GT's. priced $1,000 over invoice and they will take X plan. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img]

dswhalen

'Clem' post='673594' date='April 29, 2006, 3:54 AM']
Dave,

I was just out your way recently - Phoenix to Zion National Park - and noticed a lot more GTs running around. Also saw a ton of V6 rentals getting beaten silly by German tourists. Those guys are nuts! It's still somewhat uncommon to see one in the DC area. Seems surprising considering the rediculous congestion in these parts.

Beautiful country you have out there, BTW. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumb.gif[/img] I visit every year to escape the crowds.
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There are a ton of rental verts in Zion's. A great idea to drive to Vegas, rent a vert and enjoy the panorama of Zions from an open car. I love to hear my mod exhaust in the upper tunnels.

Reminisce

I think it depends on location. Down here in Miami, I had a hard time getting my GT out the door even with X-Plan pricing. They even wanted to rob me MORE than i expected on my woiuld-have-been trade-in (99 Mercury Cougar V6, blue books for 4-6k as a trade in, they offered me 1500). They were heated when I took the trade-in out of the deal.

That same dealership had 3 GTs that had "SOLD" on the window when I went there that day. Another dealership, the day before, had a GT I wanted, when I called the next day, it was gone. Whats funny is, ever since I bought my GT 2 weeks ago, I've counted TWO 05+ GTs i've seen on the street since, and a plethora of V6s.

backafter20

I got a good deal on my GT back in June of '05. The salesman even kinda got in trouble for giving me such a good deal. It is a very small dealership near St. Louis, and they had a $2k markup on the few GTs they had just a short while ago. Now there are 10 GTs sitting there, and only a couple of V6s. No markup, and they don't seem to be moving very well. Supply certainly killed the cash cow! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen.gif[/img] They even striped some to get some attention! Another odd thing is that of the 10 GTs, 7 are either black or torch red. Great colors, but they need some variety... [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/nonono.gif[/img]

Route 66

GT's finally showing up on dealer lots in Twin Cities area. Funny though, they won't sell at xplan. The dealership I'm referring to has probably 10 Mustang GT's. Why do they sit and hold onto these things. I just don't get it. I understood why 6 months ago xplan was out of the question. You couldn't find one anywhere here. But now, when they are plentiful? Come on.

incomingRPG

The dealer I mentioned above has more than a dozen GT's in stock, all with at least a $5000 AMV charge. Why? Because some people will actually pay it. I know they will deal, but it amazes me that they feel they can get away with it at this point.

kamiller42

I am interested in buying a Mustang GT Vert., but there are factors preventing me from doing so.

1. Quality. I have owned a long line of Ford vehicles, Escort, Ranger, Contour, 01 Explorer, and 02 Explorer. It's my most recent purchase that has me worried about the build quality of Fords. I can point out at least 10 quality problem areas on my 02 Explorer. This, from a vehicle designed from the ground up and supposedly of superior quality than previous Explorers. My rear AC unit has been repaired twice and needs to go back a third time. :-(

Then I read about problems with the Mustang and shake my head. Problems with the manual tranny on the GT. Problems with the Shaker system. <sigh> If Ford wants to sell cars, convince the public you mean quality with more than words. Stop focusing your advertising on rebates and pushing the Ford Fusion as a high performance car (Wait till you release a more powerful V6.). Be truthful about your innovation and back your promise of quality with at least a 60,000/5 year warranty standard.

Lastly, if certain parts or systems are not up to par, dump the supplier. Go elsewhere and get higher grade materials. Don't support complacent suppliers because of long term relationships or other reasons.

2. Dealerships. Out of the 5 Dallas-Fort Worth dealerships I have done with business with, I would do business with only 2 of them again. Out of those 2, one is on the fence with me. Every time I have gone to a dealership, the salesmen cast me aside unless I say I am interested in buying a vehicle that night or within a month. They are cash driven, not people driven. Unfortunate for them you have to satisfy the person before you can get to the wallet.

It because of my experience today with one Ford dealership that I am even taking the time to write this. I wanted to take my first test drive of a GT. It was a horrible experience. The saleman claimed to have no time for me, so I had to keep my test drive very short. Unless I was looking to purchase in the next month or less, he claimed Saturdays was his busiest day, and he had no time for me. (This was a lie because I witnessed how empty the dealership was. In fact, when I pulled up, the salesman was sitting back on a waiting room bench waiting for someone. Many salesmen were standing around and not with customers.) This was not my first and only experience like this.

I contrast this with an experience I had at a foreign automotive dealership next door, which was actually busy. So busy, their office hours are one hour longer than Ford's. The situation was the same. I wanted to test drive a car I was interested in, which would even by the case had my 02 Explorer not cast doubts about Ford quality. I told the salesman the same as I told the Ford salesman. The experience was entirely different. He said that's fine, took the opportunity to brag about his car, and was happy to let me go on a test drive. This was not the first pleasant experience at a foreign car dealership.

3. Conclusion. I was attracted to the new Mustang since I first saw it. It drew me to three auto shows. The test drive, though very brief, was exciting. However, none of this matters if it has quality problems are addressed and dealership attitudes do not improve. I cannot see me spending over $30k on a car and get treated like a number. Ford, you claim change is underway. Let's see some real change.

You may discount my words. I'm just giving my man on the street opinion. I don't think I'm alone. Ford's numbers seem to bare it out.

Sign,
Disappointed & Losing Faith
Long time Ford owner and share holder.

incomingRPG

Awesome post kamiller42 [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bowdown.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/worship.gif[/img] As you can see I am undecided upon the purchase of a Mustang GT for many of the same reasons you layout. I have made more than one post saying that Ford should be embarassed to put some of those materials in any car. I could buy a fully loaded Premium GT today and skip over any financing. Lately, I am considering a Deluxe GT WITHOUT most options, because quite frankly the only thing worth paying for is the GT's performance. If the quality was there in the options I'd have no problem paying for them. But even if I have the money, I am not stupid enough to pay ($1770 over the basic radio is it?) for the Shaker 1000. Yes, this is a beautiful sexy car, but I am not about to throw my financial intelligence out the window because of it. You will find that you are not alone on this issue.