I was reading in another thread about the Australian Falcon having an electronic throttle (instead of a manual linkage). The thought dawned on me that the new Mustang will have one as well. This unnerves me greatly. Does any one know physically how these things work? It seems to me that if something happens to this system it would be difficult to hobble something together to limp home. Any opinions?

 

Its gonna work just like on the new F-150's.

From what I have heard (read).....a number of people have reported and small delay in acceleration. Like they'll tromp the gas and then after a few fractions of a second then the engine will kick up.

I wouldn't be surprised......but then again a part of me disagrees in that it should be instantenous because electronics and speed of electricity are practically instant.

My concern is that if some kid were to put a magnet just over the thing that is would mess wih the electronics.

 

Corvettes have been using them in the LS1's since 1997,

BMW's have been using them even before that.

I am sure that it will be very reliable and won't be prone to failure. As for the feel of the throttle, I am sure that it is dialed in to be very responsive in the Mustang.

 

I have it my '04 Mazda 6. I've noticed on occasion a slight hesitation when giving it the gas. I haven't yet pinpointed the exact circumstances that causes it. I wonder if the 6 has the same TBW system as the F150 and the '05 Mustang?

 

There are so many safety algorithms built into an ETC system that make it very safe and reliable. They also have default limp home states that allow you to make it to somewhere, not quickly but you can get there.

In a matter of time cal's could be hacked to lower delay of throttle response even though it is minimal.

 

I'm betting most of the people feeling delay are driving automatic transmission cars and more of the delay is due to transmission function than drive by wire function.

 

I was drove the new bmw 545 a while back. It had the drive by wire thing. It was very responsive. (im not sure if that was the fact that it was drive by wire, or the fact that it was a bmw 545.

 

Nope. There are just as many Mazda 6 manual tranny drivers complaining of the hesitation as auto drivers.

 

My wifes 2002 Tibute just had that sensor go bad at 35000 miles, it caused wierd shifting. :angry: But, we did not notice much of a lag when pushing hard on the gas pedel.

 

I know in my lexus I have to wait a little less then a second after I slam the gas for it to have any affect, I hope the same is not true for the new stang

 

ill find out when i buy it lol.........or test it 1st

 

Drive by wire in general should be more responsive and much less clutter to work with. I see nothing wrong with it and its reliabiltiy.
If car engineers are going to replace something they replace it with something better, not something slower and unreliable.

 

I can belive this, as the honda hybrid a automatic, and I feel hesitation some times.

 

Here's the 2005 throttle



Electronic all right. The electronic throttle is what controls the TCS.

 

they best not put electronic braking.......oh geez......if a car stalls.....u r so screwed.

 

That is exactly what I was thinking by the time I read your post.

 

The Lincoln LS & Thunderbird went into production with ETC in November 2002, so Ford has been shipping ETC engined cars for over 1-1/2 years. I have only heard of one instance of an ETC failure in a 2003 or 2004 LS. The car was driveable with the ETC failure, it just did not have full power.

My 2003 LS feels like it has slight throddle lag as compared to my 2000 LS. As someone said, it could be due more to the trannine than ETC. There is a software update for the 2003 LS which supposedly improved the trannie shifting & responsiveness. I plan to get the PCM sofware update soon.

 

Drive by wire is actually supposed to provide much better throttle response, since there's NO cable action delay whatsoever. Also, no mechanical linkages to ever wear out.

I've driven the new BMW 545, and Acura TL and TSX - and none of those cars had any lag whatsoever - in fact, they all perform really well - epecially the TSX which only has a 4 banger. The 4 banger does produce 200 bhp however.

 

None of those cars are Fords. The Mazda 6 (which I currently drive) uses a Duratec V6 and a Ford PCM and it suffers from slight throttle lag on both automatics AND manual trannies.

 

Guys, stop worrying. You think Ford doesn't know how important throttle feel is to the driving experience. I mean, the engineers are mustang enthusiasts themselves.

Maybe I have too much faith in ford, but from what I've seen, they have really stepped up to the plate in every regard. I doubt they will let us down now.