dealer fees, etc...BS or real?
#21
one good reason to buy a saturn...either pay or dont buy. what i do not like are salesman (joke) who know nothing about a car's features...i was looking at a fusion as a possible replacement for my taurus and he did not know any of the specs and then i talked about the mustang on the floor next to the fusion and he tried to bs me...did not know anything...if i was a salesman i would study the specs of all cars and be prepared to discuss with a customer because when you get a customer that did his researh he only looks a fool...me personally now i will only make an offer to the sales manager and be prepared to leave at that point if the bs starts...remember - dont fall in love with something that cant love you back (car). and fords are a dime a dozen.
#23
edmunds.com has some real serious car buying tips.
#24
"dealer fees, etc.... BS or real?" Answer - (some of) those dealer fees are REAL BS alright! Ha ha ha!
vicmeldrew, the salespeople at the dealers are SUPPOSED to study and KNOW what they are selling. There are resource guides (for lack of a better term) for each vehicle that lists specs, features, selling points, etc. I've seen and read them in some of the salespeoples' offices and sometimes in the showroom area itself - still doesn't seem to help.
vicmeldrew, the salespeople at the dealers are SUPPOSED to study and KNOW what they are selling. There are resource guides (for lack of a better term) for each vehicle that lists specs, features, selling points, etc. I've seen and read them in some of the salespeoples' offices and sometimes in the showroom area itself - still doesn't seem to help.
#25
You are right, I should have qualified my comment about "vultures" to read something like MANY dealers are "vultures".
Sorry if I offended you or anyone else.
I still am just a bit sore about my adventures in purchasing my 'Stang in May 2005 when black GT 'verts were nearly impossible to get, and I was seeing "non-negotiable" markups of up to $15k (!) over MSRP and indifferent and/or rude salespeople that demonstrated an "up yours" attitude to ME, "the customer." They even wanted to mark up a car that was ordered from the factory! (and then they refused to do so anyway).
The managers were little better than fat, lazy slime who tried various "bait and switch" tactics, even at one point trying to sell me a FOCUS. They acted like I intruded on their fiefdom when I exhibited a bit of knowledge about how to buy a car, and their rudeness, stupidity, and indifference appeared to be directly proportional to the amount of ADM they were demanding.
I could understand this behavior if it was isolated. However, I went to no less than TWELVE dealerships in the L.A. and Orange County area and got similar treatment. The dealerships in Whittier and the Tustin Auto Center stand out in my memory as the rudest and the greediest.
As you can see by my sig, I love my 'Stangs, I'm a repeat customer, and I'm a guaranteed sale! (complete with good credit and a fat down payment!) How dare these thugs treat me like a piece of crap.
If I wasn't a Ford enthusiast that was DETERMINED to get the car I wanted I would have long since renounced Ford and gotten something else due to these chimpanzees running the dealerships.
So you my friend 05GT, (and ISELLFORD) are probably the exception to the rule that dealers are slime, and once again I am sorry if I offended you.
Sorry if I offended you or anyone else.
I still am just a bit sore about my adventures in purchasing my 'Stang in May 2005 when black GT 'verts were nearly impossible to get, and I was seeing "non-negotiable" markups of up to $15k (!) over MSRP and indifferent and/or rude salespeople that demonstrated an "up yours" attitude to ME, "the customer." They even wanted to mark up a car that was ordered from the factory! (and then they refused to do so anyway).
The managers were little better than fat, lazy slime who tried various "bait and switch" tactics, even at one point trying to sell me a FOCUS. They acted like I intruded on their fiefdom when I exhibited a bit of knowledge about how to buy a car, and their rudeness, stupidity, and indifference appeared to be directly proportional to the amount of ADM they were demanding.
I could understand this behavior if it was isolated. However, I went to no less than TWELVE dealerships in the L.A. and Orange County area and got similar treatment. The dealerships in Whittier and the Tustin Auto Center stand out in my memory as the rudest and the greediest.
As you can see by my sig, I love my 'Stangs, I'm a repeat customer, and I'm a guaranteed sale! (complete with good credit and a fat down payment!) How dare these thugs treat me like a piece of crap.
If I wasn't a Ford enthusiast that was DETERMINED to get the car I wanted I would have long since renounced Ford and gotten something else due to these chimpanzees running the dealerships.
So you my friend 05GT, (and ISELLFORD) are probably the exception to the rule that dealers are slime, and once again I am sorry if I offended you.
The manufacturers need to clean house, and it just isn't Ford. Its all the brands, even Toyota, and especially Honda. They have the attitude. If you won't pay the price (usually MSRP) someone else will. I've heard horror stories from friends who try to purchase imports, like a Toyota. they didn't even go near a discount. They expected you to pay MSRP, like it was a privilege to purchase this car. All I can say is . I just keep my mind clear, and offer help to whoever needs it. I know if you treat someone well, they will do so back. Its worked for almost 10 years so far.
#26
one good reason to buy a saturn...either pay or dont buy. what i do not like are salesman (joke) who know nothing about a car's features...i was looking at a fusion as a possible replacement for my taurus and he did not know any of the specs and then i talked about the mustang on the floor next to the fusion and he tried to bs me...did not know anything...if i was a salesman i would study the specs of all cars and be prepared to discuss with a customer because when you get a customer that did his researh he only looks a fool...me personally now i will only make an offer to the sales manager and be prepared to leave at that point if the bs starts...remember - dont fall in love with something that cant love you back (car). and fords are a dime a dozen.
For me, I got all the options, option packages, and colors, and what is standard with each model in my head. I even have the option codes for specing out a factory order in my noggen. Its the small things, like overall length, or cubic feet, behind the 2nd row for an Explorer, thats hard to remember. This is where the books come in for. I'm a car nut, but believe me, with all the vehicles, and all the different packages (and stipulations on what can and can't be ordered with what), its a lot to learn. But that is why I love it. You truely learn something new everyday.
Just yesterday, we got our 1st Edge in, and I was in it for over 20 minutes, just checking out out, playing with the roof, and seeing how everything works, so I know for future use. I just wish more people learned their product (not just Ford).
I went to the local BMW dealer, and they had a 2007 M6. The guy there asked me what I was staring at (the carbon fiber roof). I told him I was looking at the CF roof, as you can see the weave. He said "Really, I didin't know that". He didn't even know that the roof on the M6 came bare carbon fiber and wasn't painted body color!! COME ON!!! Its a $100,000 car, you D*** well better know all about it, if you want to sell it!! We have a Ford GT, and I learned EVERYTHING about that car! I walked away shaking my head.
#27
Discount on imports is a bit different, for say Camry's and Accords. Accords and Camry's keep higher resale values due to the fact that not many discounts, year end specials, etc are offered on the price of the vehicle. As such, if you already own one, the resale value is higher due to less disparity between a used one and a new one with lets say, 10,000 taken off the price. These large discounts offered on new vehicles, diminish the used value of that same vehicle as long as no major changes have occured in the product line when comparing vehicles.
It's quite interesting actually, I wrote an economics paper about this once actually.
It's quite interesting actually, I wrote an economics paper about this once actually.
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