Cops get an 05 Mustang
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Originally posted by RottenRonny@August 23, 2005, 1:38 PM
I don't know your laws there, but in Canada, something someone does is not entrapment, if it is something you would normally do.
For example, in the above case, the person would have raced the mustang regardless of whether or not the driver of the other mustang was a police officer, or not.
It is also the same reason that hookers can not use entrapment as a defence in sting operations.
I don't know your laws there, but in Canada, something someone does is not entrapment, if it is something you would normally do.
For example, in the above case, the person would have raced the mustang regardless of whether or not the driver of the other mustang was a police officer, or not.
It is also the same reason that hookers can not use entrapment as a defence in sting operations.
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In the United States entrapment exists if the accused's main motivation was the offer made by the police. If the accused was more motivated by other concerns, such as financial gain, then it is not entrapment despite police actions.
http://www.chp.ca.gov/html/streetlegal.html
Either way, I plan on taking my stang to the track.
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Originally posted by RottenRonny@August 23, 2005, 3:38 PM
I don't know your laws there, but in Canada, something someone does is not entrapment, if it is something you would normally do.
For example, in the above case, the person would have raced the mustang regardless of whether or not the driver of the other mustang was a police officer, or not.
It is also the same reason that hookers can not use entrapment as a defence in sting operations.
I don't know your laws there, but in Canada, something someone does is not entrapment, if it is something you would normally do.
For example, in the above case, the person would have raced the mustang regardless of whether or not the driver of the other mustang was a police officer, or not.
It is also the same reason that hookers can not use entrapment as a defence in sting operations.
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Entrapment is a tough one to argue. If you have the right lawyer, you never know. Fact is though... if the cop is in the lead at any time, he is in the wrong... especially if he smoke's the other guy. Letting the other guy do his thing is one thing, but if the cop actually takes the lead, he's making the other guy drive faster to keep up... entrapment. I'm no lawyer, and not familiar with these laws, but all I am saying is that you'd have a pretty good arguement in court, especially with a good lawyer.
This whole thing to me is just retarded and should be illegal. I see this as a huge risk just to get a guy for speeding. In most cities, cops will call off a chase if it get's to dangerous or too fast (especially for such a small thing as a traffic ticket). But, you have these cops out there instigating a street race, and chasing a car down at 115 mph just for a minor charge really. I know a few cops and deputies where I live... and they have a no chase policy here. No chasing, no matter what. So, I highly doubt I'd have to worry about this happening here. Just sad that it's happening elsewhere. These cops should be putting their efforts into catching drunk drivers, and save a few lives... rather than risking some. Rant off...
This whole thing to me is just retarded and should be illegal. I see this as a huge risk just to get a guy for speeding. In most cities, cops will call off a chase if it get's to dangerous or too fast (especially for such a small thing as a traffic ticket). But, you have these cops out there instigating a street race, and chasing a car down at 115 mph just for a minor charge really. I know a few cops and deputies where I live... and they have a no chase policy here. No chasing, no matter what. So, I highly doubt I'd have to worry about this happening here. Just sad that it's happening elsewhere. These cops should be putting their efforts into catching drunk drivers, and save a few lives... rather than risking some. Rant off...
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Just a couple of observations...
1. Someone needs to tell the mayor of Stallings, NC where the Federal Gov. gets its money. In the newscast video, she says that citizens shouldn't be upset about their tax dollars being spent to buy the Mustang... "it was totally free to the taxpayers". Huh, Madam Mayor, don't they hold Federal taxes out of your paycheck?
2. The Mustang is a special service vehicle for law enforcement. It is not a true "police package" vehicle. It is primarily useful as a high speed chase car. I could also see it showing up as a "DARE" car or any other youth oriented / public relations / or recruiting tool.
All that being said, I'd trade in my 2003 Ford Crown Vic "Interceptor" for one of these bad boys TODAY! I'd love to see one marked up in our State Police markings. :cop:
1. Someone needs to tell the mayor of Stallings, NC where the Federal Gov. gets its money. In the newscast video, she says that citizens shouldn't be upset about their tax dollars being spent to buy the Mustang... "it was totally free to the taxpayers". Huh, Madam Mayor, don't they hold Federal taxes out of your paycheck?
2. The Mustang is a special service vehicle for law enforcement. It is not a true "police package" vehicle. It is primarily useful as a high speed chase car. I could also see it showing up as a "DARE" car or any other youth oriented / public relations / or recruiting tool.
All that being said, I'd trade in my 2003 Ford Crown Vic "Interceptor" for one of these bad boys TODAY! I'd love to see one marked up in our State Police markings. :cop:
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Originally posted by 05_stang@August 23, 2005, 1:25 PM
this is bull shi t, it's called entrapment, the suspects getting pulled over can easlily fight the citation and the arrest.
this is bull shi t, it's called entrapment, the suspects getting pulled over can easlily fight the citation and the arrest.
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Originally posted by holderca1@August 23, 2005, 10:21 PM
No it's not. It is not entrapment any more than an undercover police officer selling/buying drugs to catch drug dealers. Stop racing on public roads and stop bypassing the language filters.
No it's not. It is not entrapment any more than an undercover police officer selling/buying drugs to catch drug dealers. Stop racing on public roads and stop bypassing the language filters.
If the officers write out a sting operation for catching street racers (say, they hear about a meet or something), then they can entice them to race and then arrest them.
If the officers don't, then it's entrapment. If the officer is leading, or revs first, or wins, it's entrapment. Entrapment - Being enticed by a law enforcement officer to break a law, without it being a sting operation.
Of course, most likely, you'll be arrested, it's not until the court appearance that you can do something.
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The police need to start being held accountable for their actions. I'm tired of only hearing how some case was thrown out of court because the police broke the law gathering evidence, and not how the officers themselves were held accountable for disregarding the law in their attempts to make the arrest. The only way to stop entrapments, illegal searches and seizures, and other such commonly disregarded checks on police power guaranteed by law is to hold them accountable personally. Only then will fewer criminals get out from behind bars on technicalities and society will be a safer place.
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Originally posted by Ford05MustangGT@August 24, 2005, 6:53 AM
Yes it is, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment .
If the officers write out a sting operation for catching street racers (say, they hear about a meet or something), then they can entice them to race and then arrest them.
If the officers don't, then it's entrapment. If the officer is leading, or revs first, or wins, it's entrapment. Entrapment - Being enticed by a law enforcement officer to break a law, without it being a sting operation.
Of course, most likely, you'll be arrested, it's not until the court appearance that you can do something.
Yes it is, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment .
If the officers write out a sting operation for catching street racers (say, they hear about a meet or something), then they can entice them to race and then arrest them.
If the officers don't, then it's entrapment. If the officer is leading, or revs first, or wins, it's entrapment. Entrapment - Being enticed by a law enforcement officer to break a law, without it being a sting operation.
Of course, most likely, you'll be arrested, it's not until the court appearance that you can do something.
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Originally posted by holderca1@August 24, 2005, 9:52 AM
I think you misread the article, it never said anything about the police enticing this guy to race. All it says is that he flew past them at 115 mph simply because they were driving Mustang GTs. Unless they left something out of the article, it was not entrapment.
I think you misread the article, it never said anything about the police enticing this guy to race. All it says is that he flew past them at 115 mph simply because they were driving Mustang GTs. Unless they left something out of the article, it was not entrapment.
We can sit here and argue about entrapment, but it really depends on the lawyer and how the judge is feeling that day. The judge may see it as entrapment and that the cop was being wreckless and egging the guy on... or he/she may see it as the guy obviously has a need for speed and should to be taught a lesson. If we learn anything here... it's either don't race at all, or at least be careful who you race. I personally only will race if someone pisses me off and is really asking for it. It's almost always a ricer. I highly doubt there are any cops riding around in undercover riced-out Civics or Supras.
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Originally posted by calvin84@August 24, 2005, 8:44 AM
The police need to start being held accountable for their actions. I'm tired of only hearing how some case was thrown out of court because the police broke the law gathering evidence, and not how the officers themselves were held accountable for disregarding the law in their attempts to make the arrest. The only way to stop entrapments, illegal searches and seizures, and other such commonly disregarded checks on police power guaranteed by law is to hold them accountable personally. Only then will fewer criminals get out from behind bars on technicalities and society will be a safer place.
The police need to start being held accountable for their actions. I'm tired of only hearing how some case was thrown out of court because the police broke the law gathering evidence, and not how the officers themselves were held accountable for disregarding the law in their attempts to make the arrest. The only way to stop entrapments, illegal searches and seizures, and other such commonly disregarded checks on police power guaranteed by law is to hold them accountable personally. Only then will fewer criminals get out from behind bars on technicalities and society will be a safer place.
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Originally posted by Grimlock@August 24, 2005, 3:11 PM
What are you talking about? Do you have any idea the hoops police have to jump through to do their job? Do you have any idea what they risk to try to make your city, county, or state safe? You're probably upset because you got caught speeding and had to pay a ticket. Well, don't break the law and you won't have any problems.
What are you talking about? Do you have any idea the hoops police have to jump through to do their job? Do you have any idea what they risk to try to make your city, county, or state safe? You're probably upset because you got caught speeding and had to pay a ticket. Well, don't break the law and you won't have any problems.
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Originally posted by holderca1@August 24, 2005, 10:52 AM
I think you misread the article, it never said anything about the police enticing this guy to race. All it says is that he flew past them at 115 mph simply because they were driving Mustang GTs. Unless they left something out of the article, it was not entrapment.
I think you misread the article, it never said anything about the police enticing this guy to race. All it says is that he flew past them at 115 mph simply because they were driving Mustang GTs. Unless they left something out of the article, it was not entrapment.
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Originally posted by 05GT-O.C.D.@August 24, 2005, 5:15 PM
Unfortunately that's not true everywhere. Police corruption is not anything new. Fortunately, the good cops far outweigh the bad, but we can't deny that they exist. It's also not true that if you don't break the law you won't have any problems. There are things called false accusations and false arrests. I think that part of what calvin was referring to is that police sometimes go too far to gather evidence against people, and sometimes there is false evidence is used to wrongfully convict people. The other part of what he was saying is that he's sick of guilty people, who can be dangerous to society, getting off in court because a leo, trying to do good, went to far and crossed a line. Yes, police deserve a lot of gratitude, work hard, and risk their lives daily to help protect their communities. But I don't think anyone here is nieve enough to believe that all cops are saints and immune to mistakes.
Unfortunately that's not true everywhere. Police corruption is not anything new. Fortunately, the good cops far outweigh the bad, but we can't deny that they exist. It's also not true that if you don't break the law you won't have any problems. There are things called false accusations and false arrests. I think that part of what calvin was referring to is that police sometimes go too far to gather evidence against people, and sometimes there is false evidence is used to wrongfully convict people. The other part of what he was saying is that he's sick of guilty people, who can be dangerous to society, getting off in court because a leo, trying to do good, went to far and crossed a line. Yes, police deserve a lot of gratitude, work hard, and risk their lives daily to help protect their communities. But I don't think anyone here is nieve enough to believe that all cops are saints and immune to mistakes.
I heard about a black middle aged man that just got out of prison for rape in GA. DNA testing proved he didn't rape her, he's been in jail for 10+ years...sucks to be in prison for that long and then get out and only get a "sorry."