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Old Feb 10, 2013 | 05:16 PM
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Alright so I got a rebuilt 302 motor I'm taking out of a 65 and dropping into my 94 GT. I BELIEVE the motor is pre-70. So since I'm still getting my feet wet this leads to a few questions.
1) will I still have to smog my car?
2) will x pipes designed for the sn95 still fit this motor?
3) will it need catalytic converters or can I cut them out?

Anyone won could shed some light on here for me would be greatly appreciated.
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Old Feb 10, 2013 | 07:40 PM
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everything from your old motor will fit the new motor. Smog depends on if you live in an area that requires it
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Old Feb 10, 2013 | 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by bluethunderhorse
everything from your old motor will fit the new motor. Smog depends on if you live in an area that requires it
I live in Cali
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Old Feb 10, 2013 | 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by bluethunderhorse
everything from your old motor will fit the new motor. Smog depends on if you live in an area that requires it
But I don't know if the smog law is based on the year of the car or year of the motor?
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Old Feb 11, 2013 | 12:39 AM
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Year of the car
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Old Feb 11, 2013 | 09:18 PM
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Year of the car
I was thinking about dropping a rebuilt 1965 302 into my 1994 GT but the DMV said its based on the car's year and that motor won't pass smog
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Old Feb 11, 2013 | 09:24 PM
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They are full of it too, Hot Rod Magazine built a 1,000 hp carbureted 502 big block that passed cali's smog test. It's all in the tuning. That 65 model engine is almost identical to your 94 in every way with minor exceptions, like the valve size in the heads, and the runner size of the heads.
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Old Feb 11, 2013 | 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by bluethunderhorse
They are full of it too, Hot Rod Magazine built a 1,000 hp carbureted 502 big block that passed cali's smog test. It's all in the tuning. That 65 model engine is almost identical to your 94 in every way with minor exceptions, like the valve size in the heads, and the runner size of the heads.
DMV didn't say it wouldn't pass a family friend built it for the 65 it wouldn't pass smog unless I put a lot of money in it.
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Old Feb 12, 2013 | 04:32 PM
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engine swaps in newer cars are a pain, unless you are mechanically inclined I wouldn't do it. Probably cheaper and easier to buy what you want
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Old Feb 13, 2013 | 12:30 AM
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engine swaps in newer cars are a pain, unless you are mechanically inclined I wouldn't do it. Probably cheaper and easier to buy what you want
I was thinking about that too. This car has sentimental value tho. I really want to lose the fuel injected motor and go with a carbureted 351
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Old Feb 13, 2013 | 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by onequickstang

I was thinking about that too. This car has sentimental value tho. I really want to lose the fuel injected motor and go with a carbureted 351
I live in Massachusetts, like California we have very strict emissions I think you would have a hard time passing emissions with a carbureted motor. I think your best bet would be to buy a 1996-98 cobra as a good starting point. I've noticed these are getting affordable now. I understand sentimental value but at the end of the day living in California, this project seems very risky
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Originally Posted by 97GT03SVT
I live in Massachusetts, like California we have very strict emissions I think you would have a hard time passing emissions with a carbureted motor. I think your best bet would be to buy a 1996-98 cobra as a good starting point. I've noticed these are getting affordable now. I understand sentimental value but at the end of the day living in California, this project seems very risky
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If you want to go carbureted, you would probably need to make the car a track only car. I dont see a way that you will be able to keep your emission systems on the car so it will pass the inspection.
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Old Feb 13, 2013 | 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by onequickstang
Alright so I got a rebuilt 302 motor I'm taking out of a 65 and dropping into my 94 GT. I BELIEVE the motor is pre-70. So since I'm still getting my feet wet this leads to a few questions.
1) will I still have to smog my car?
2) will x pipes designed for the sn95 still fit this motor?
3) will it need catalytic converters or can I cut them out?

Anyone won could shed some light on here for me would be greatly appreciated.
laws will depend from state to state. I believe most standards are going to go with the model year of the car and not the powerplant.
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Old Feb 13, 2013 | 08:41 AM
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I know for s fact 1996-up cars wont allow for such a swap because they have the diagnostic ports (OBII?). You may get away with a 1994-95 car but then again California has the strictest emissions on the country.
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Old Feb 13, 2013 | 10:15 AM
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That's why you remove the factory computer and replace it with one from the donor car. It does away with the diagnostic port.
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Old Feb 13, 2013 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by bluethunderhorse
That's why you remove the factory computer and replace it with one from the donor car. It does away with the diagnostic port.
Yeah but an old carburetored motor wont have a computer
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Old Feb 13, 2013 | 10:29 AM
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All an old carb motor will need is a switched power wire to the positive side of the distributor, a switched power to the excite post on the alternator, and and the feeds to the starter
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Old Feb 14, 2013 | 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by 97GT03SVT
I know for s fact 1996-up cars wont allow for such a swap because they have the diagnostic ports (OBII?). You may get away with a 1994-95 car but then again California has the strictest emissions on the country.
Are you just saying for emissions junk they won't work?

You could easily put a carbed motor in any car really because they don't rely on the computer to run. Now getting it to pass an emissions test, that's where it gets tricky.
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Old Feb 14, 2013 | 05:01 AM
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Are you just saying for emissions junk they won't work?

You could easily put a carbed motor in any car really because they don't rely on the computer to run. Now getting it to pass an emissions test, that's where it gets tricky.
I mean passing the emissions test, I remember my cousin converted his 98 to a carbed 5.0 and was unable to pass inspection with it. He ended up turning it into a drag car because it wasnt street legal. Massachusetts and California have the toughest emissions standards in the country, even most new cold air kits are illegal on Massachusetts and California!
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Old Feb 14, 2013 | 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by 97GT03SVT

I mean passing the emissions test, I remember my cousin converted his 98 to a carbed 5.0 and was unable to pass inspection with it. He ended up turning it into a drag car because it wasnt street legal. Massachusetts and California have the toughest emissions standards in the country, even most new cold air kits are illegal on Massachusetts and California!
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