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Old May 15, 2006 | 03:01 PM
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Mustang 427

There was a discussion at ford-trucks.net if 427 was ever an option in a Mustang.

According to MustangSource, there was no 427 available in a Mustang. However, some people said that it was available as engine for drag racing.

Is this true?
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Old May 15, 2006 | 03:06 PM
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Other than the Boss 429, I don't know of any big-block mustangs, but I'm not a complete encyclopedia on mustangs.
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Old May 15, 2006 | 03:30 PM
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The 428 Cobra Jet was used on the GT500's
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Old May 15, 2006 | 04:17 PM
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Could it be they are talking about a stroked 351W to a 427?
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Old May 15, 2006 | 04:56 PM
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I thought there were 1 or 2 Shelbys with an aluminum 427, but that is all I can think of. As soon as the deal was done, there was no warranty from the factory at all. I believe they had the nickname of Supersnake, maybe look for that online.

I was on the right path, 1 made.


http://www.nvsaac.com/gallery/1967_shelby_gt500_18.htm

Thats all I know of. The 427 SOHC motor was a crate motor form Ford for racing that dealers could install, but they don't fit well...too wide
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Old May 15, 2006 | 05:06 PM
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ahhh yes I remember seeing pics like these before but I cannot remember where.
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Old May 17, 2006 | 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Red Star
There was a discussion at ford-trucks.net if 427 was ever an option in a Mustang.

According to MustangSource, there was no 427 available in a Mustang. However, some people said that it was available as engine for drag racing.

Is this true?
wow a lot of misinformation here ,
as far as big block mustangs
they started in 1967 with a 390 in the mustang and a 428 PI ( police intercepter) in the 67 shelby gt500
in 1968 there was a x code 390 2v a s code 390 gt 4v, and a 68 1/2 428 cj , in the 68 shelby gt500 they had 428 pimotors, the 68 gt500 KR shelby had 428 cj motors
in 1969 the x code 390 was droped but there was a s code 390 4v gt, a q code and r code 428 ram air and non ram air, and a boss 429!
in 1970 the options where the same as 69, in 1971 the only big block was a c code or a j code 429 cj ram air and 429 cj non ram air, in 1972 the big block was gone!

as for a 427 ,

well to qoute KEVIN MARTI"S book MUSTANGS BY THE NUMBERS ( he is the only person with the liscensed ford records,
and i qoute " there are no 427 mustangs ever manufactured by FORD"


i hope this helps and if you want more info on older mustangs try the vintage mustang forum!
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Old May 17, 2006 | 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by jc69Stang
I thought there were 1 or 2 Shelbys with an aluminum 427, but that is all I can think of. As soon as the deal was done, there was no warranty from the factory at all. I believe they had the nickname of Supersnake, maybe look for that online.

I was on the right path, 1 made.


http://www.nvsaac.com/gallery/1967_shelby_gt500_18.htm

Thats all I know of. The 427 SOHC motor was a crate motor form Ford for racing that dealers could install, but they don't fit well...too wide
if you are familer with FORD and SHELBY , all those shelby gt500's came from ford as s code 390 gt 4v cars in 1967 and where MODIFIED by carrol shelby, they are not ford built mustangs, ( and shelby never really wanted them called mustang when he was done withem as evidenced by his new shelby gt500 notice its not badged or called a 2007 mustang gt 500m its a 2007 shelby gt 500)
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Old May 17, 2006 | 11:42 PM
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I bet these guys are talking about the 427 SOHC motor. I am sure there were Mustangs that ran in the 60's and 70's with transplanted 427 SOHC crate motors but as far as I know there was never one dropped into a production mustang.

It is RARE that I see a 427 SOHC motor these days, I think the last one I saw was at Hot August Nights in a street rod some years ago. These motors are awesome and sound great!

Here is a nice article on the motor:
http://www.supermotors.org/vehicles/...sue01-a2-1.php
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Old May 18, 2006 | 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by shatter
I bet these guys are talking about the 427 SOHC motor. I am sure there were Mustangs that ran in the 60's and 70's with transplanted 427 SOHC crate motors but as far as I know there was never one dropped into a production mustang.

It is RARE that I see a 427 SOHC motor these days, I think the last one I saw was at Hot August Nights in a street rod some years ago. These motors are awesome and sound great!

Here is a nice article on the motor:
http://www.supermotors.org/vehicles/...sue01-a2-1.php
well your correct , it was never FATORY Installed in a mustang, look how wide that cucker is, and it could be bought over the counter ONLY from ford, it was a 2500 dollar motor!
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Old May 18, 2006 | 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by qcodemachman
if you are familer with FORD and SHELBY , all those shelby gt500's came from ford as s code 390 gt 4v cars in 1967 and where MODIFIED by carrol shelby, they are not ford built mustangs, ( and shelby never really wanted them called mustang when he was done withem as evidenced by his new shelby gt500 notice its not badged or called a 2007 mustang gt 500m its a 2007 shelby gt 500)
I thought I made that clear. No warranty etc. There was 1 427 Shelby built and that was it. End of story.
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Old May 18, 2006 | 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by jayguy
Other than the Boss 429, I don't know of any big-block mustangs, but I'm not a complete encyclopedia on mustangs.
The first of the big blocks came in 1967 or 68 cant really remember with the 390ci
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Old May 18, 2006 | 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by qcodemachman
wow a lot of misinformation here ,
as far as big block mustangs
they started in 1967 with a 390 in the mustang and a 428 PI ( police intercepter) in the 67 shelby gt500
in 1968 there was a x code 390 2v a s code 390 gt 4v, and a 68 1/2 428 cj , in the 68 shelby gt500 they had 428 pimotors, the 68 gt500 KR shelby had 428 cj motors
in 1969 the x code 390 was droped but there was a s code 390 4v gt, a q code and r code 428 ram air and non ram air, and a boss 429!
There was no 428CJ available in 1968 that only came around in 1969
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Old May 18, 2006 | 09:12 AM
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My dad used to own a machine shop before i was alive and he managed to get his hands on a 427 sohc I never saw it in person but he let me see the pictures that thing makes a 460 or a 454 look like a small block. truely incredible engine, ive got a model of it and a set of unused pistons from it in my room. if you look at the piston you can put a beer can in the intake valve relief!
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Old May 18, 2006 | 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Big D
There was no 428CJ available in 1968 that only came around in 1969
WOW YOUR A MUSTANG GUY!!!??

there was a mid year 1968 1/2 428 cobrajet there was also a mid year gt 500 KR that came with the 428 COBRA JET

what are you willing to wager?

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Old May 18, 2006 | 07:19 PM
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and heres more !

Mustang 428 Cobra Jet Production Information

428 CJ and SCJ Mustang Production by Model Year and Plant

Serial numbers and statistics courtesy of Marti Auto Works

Year and PlantEarliest VINLatest VINTotal Production1968 Dearborn8F02R1350078F02R2208131,1281968 San Jose8R01R1580748R02R1722231711968 Metuchen Shelby8T02R1992168T02R216332*1,571 Total 1968 (with Shelby):2,870 Total 1968 Mustang:1,299 1969 Dearborn9F02R1000029F02R2228845,4491969 Dearborn Shelby9F02R4800039F03R4832891,4021969 San Jose9R02R1000029R02Q1931413,0041969 Metuchen9T02R1000039T02R2188274,808 Total 1969 (with Shelby):14,663 Total 1969 Mustang:13,261 1970 Dearborn0F02R1000020F05R2065711,7581970 Dearborn Shelby0F03R4809090F02R483295*4701970 San Jose0R05R1000400R05R1652983201970 Metuchen0T05R1000030T05Q1688671,411 Total 1970 (with Shelby):3,959 Total 1970 Mustang:3,489 Total Mustang:18,049 Total Shelby:3,443 Total:21,492
*Note that all 1968 Metuchen Cobra Jet production was Shelby GT500KR. Statistics provided courtesy of Marti Auto Works and the Shelby American Automobile Club

Mustang 428 Cobra Jet Registry Statistics


Registry statistics as of January 15, 2006
Totals by Year and Body Style

Hardtop
(Including Grande)
Convertible
Sportsroof
1968:
60
15
303*
Total 1968:
378
1969:
44
40
1,270
Total 1969:
1,354
1970:
10
18
499
Total 1970:
527
Total Registry:
2,259
* The 1968 sportsroof totals include 5 S-code cars that were converted to 428 CJ power for racing at the 1968 NHRA Winternationals held at Pomona, California. These cars were driven by Gas Rhonda, Hubert Platt, Jerry Harvey, Don Nicholson, and Al Joniec. We're still trying to obtain additional information on these cars. Can you help?
Are you interested in more than just body style statistics? Here are some more tables:
Earliest and Latest Registered VINs

Year and PlantEarliest VINLatest VIN1968 Dearborn8F02R135007*8F01R2207301968 San Jose8R02R1586018R02R172223* 1969 Dearborn9F02R1000119F02R2225981969 San Jose9R02R1029319R02Q1927321969 Metuchen9T03R1000579T02Q218761 1970 Dearborn0F05Q1000320F05R2065331970 San Jose0R05R1000400R05R1588811970 Metuchen0T05R1000080T05R168147
In truth there are earlier and later VINs known by the registry, but the VINs in the table above are the earliest and latest with confirmed owner information. See the production page for the earliest and latest VINs produced at each assembly plant. Registered VINs (cars that we have registered) matching the earliest or latest produced at an assembly plant are noted with an asterisk (*).
Totals By Engine Code

1968 R Code373 1969 Q Code2741969 R Code1,080Total 1969:1,354 1970 Q Code1021970 R Code425Total 1970:527 Total Q Code:376Total R Code:1,878
The engine code (fifth position) in the Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) determines if the vehicle came equipped with factory ram air induction or not. "Q" code vehicles did not come equipped with ram air induction. "R" code vehicles did come equipped with ram air induction. Please note that there were no known "Q" code Mustangs produced in 1968. I've seen references to such cars in various places, but checking the VINs with Marti Auto Works typically confirms that each such car left the assembly factory as a C-code (289-2v) car; I suppose it's not that hard to change a "C" to a "Q" if you're trying to fake a VIN. Buyer beware if you believe you've found a 1968 Q-code Mustang!
Some of the totals in the following tables will not add up to the total number of vehicles in the registry because they are determined by Warranty Plate or Vehicle Certification Label (door tag) information, and there are a number of vehicles registered without this information. If I don't have it, I don't guess.
Totals by Transmission Type

1968 Automatic:1201968 Manual:214 1969 Automatic:4561969 Manual:621 1970 Automatic:1631970 Manual:234 Total Automatic:739Total Manual:1,069
Total Super Cobra Jet

1969 V Code: 2131969 W Code:115Total 1969:328 1970 V Code:981970 W Code:47Total 1970:145 Total SCJ:473
Please note that Super Cobra Jet Mustangs did not appear until the 1969 model year. "V" code indicates a 3.91:1 Traction-Lok differential. "W" code indicates either a 4.30:1 Traction-Lok differential or a 4.30:1 "Detroit Locker" differential.
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Old May 18, 2006 | 07:23 PM
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There was no 428CJ available in 1968 that only came around in 1969
you know its hard enough to convince people what they DONT HAVE OR DO HAVE but why is it so many people here try to perpetuate so much FALSE INFORMATION , if your are not informed or are incorrectly under the assumtion you are at leat do a search on www.vitntage-mustang.com before you perpetuate your false belives as half truths!

in other words when you dont know what your talking about dont reply!
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Old May 18, 2006 | 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by qcodemachman
you know its hard enough to convince people what they DONT HAVE OR DO HAVE but why is it so many people here try to perpetuate so much FALSE INFORMATION , if your are not informed or are incorrectly under the assumtion you are at leat do a search on www.vitntage-mustang.com before you perpetuate your false belives as half truths!

in other words when you dont know what your talking about dont reply!
http://www.vintage-mustang.com/
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Old May 19, 2006 | 07:30 AM
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Settle down qcodemachman, not everyone knows everything. A simple correction is all that is needed. I was going to correct that post as well but I know you would be all over it. Great job
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Old May 19, 2006 | 09:10 AM
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settel down? im not riled up, i would have made it a more agrresive post then i realized hes ONLY 18 !
the reason for the post was simple PEOPLE who try to drive up the number of posts by posting on anything wheter they are correct or not!

if you are going to contridict what someone else says make sure do a search, and find out if your correct! i have spent close to 30 years working on mustangs, and it started with helping my father who is now a retired ford engineer, i can remeber watching the 71-73 mustangs coming down the line at dearborn on visits to my dad at work! it is a passion its not about knowing everything!
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