farmboy90

I placed an order yesterday for the new gt500. The dealer I am using is a small town dealer. I know each dealership supposedly gets one allocation. But I also understand Ford said "We will build as many as are ordered".

My dealer says he isn't sure my order will get accepted since they are small and already sold their one allocation. He said he would put my order in anyway and we will just wait and see.

Can anyone explain to me how my order wouldn't get fulfilled? Do I have anything to worry about here?

Thanks!

11SHELBYGT500

...and who exactly are you quoting?

farmboy90

I can't remember the source. But it was some interview with some VP at Ford. I can't remember the details and am too lazy to search for it. Ultimately it doesn't matter I think.

Anyway, my point is, does anyone know how it actually works? And more importantly, will my order get accepted by Ford? It seems to me, that if the car isn't limited in its production, then surely my order would eventually get accepted right?

kcoTiger

No. They are limited, as the dealerships which buy into the GT500 program get an allocation of one car. The rest are allocated based on their mustang sales over a period of time. The more mustangs they have sold in the applicable time frame, the more GT500s they will be allotted. I remember the quote you're talking about being spread around, but I don't think that's the case.

farmboy90

I hope you are wrong obviously.

I called Ford customer service, and he said they are not limited like The Boss was. He seemed to think there would be no issue with my order getting picked up. Only time will tell though.

05fordgt

Hey bud, the car IS limited. They won't be making alot of these. Not as limited as the Boss 302s, but limited. I heard the number is between 7,000 to 8,500 or so. And they dealer knows exactly how many they will get. They are allocated and the dealer's Ford Rep can tell them how many they will get. I am getting 2 cars for the entire 2013 Model Year. My Rep confirmed it back in late Feburary.

The 1st car for signing up for the program, and the 2nd allocation based on my sales in that period of time KCO mentioned. I already sold both of them and I cannot order any more. If I put an order it, it WON'T get built. If that dealer only is getting one car, and they know from their allocation they are only getting one car, IMHO, they shouldn't have taken another order. I have a feeling the order will sit and never get built. They know how many they are getitng. These cars are built on allocation. If you have more orders than allocation, someone will get the short end of the straw. I could be wrong (and I hope I am so you get a car) but I dont' think I will be. I'm sorry to have to tell you this.

farmboy90

I've called Ford customer service twice, and both times was told there is no limit.

And here is a link to a Car and Driver article that basically says there is no limit, and most importantly *why* there isn't a limit.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...pe-ride-review

The relevant quote is here:


Perhaps one of the most remarkable aspects of the Shelby is that it will be built on the regular Mustang assembly line in Flat Rock, Michigan, mixed in with all the others. You’re likely to see a V-6 Mustang slide down the line, followed by a Shelby, followed by a Mustang GT, followed by a Boss 302 Laguna Seca—no need to shut down and tool up for a run of  limited-edition cars. This helps keep the price down.

To what, exactly? It’s likely that the 2013 Shelby coupe will start at less than $60,000 when it appears in dealerships in May, but not by much. Production is “limited” to how many the company can sell—Ford would be happy with 10,000 a year—and there will be no effort to cap the run at a certain number.

So of course this leads me to believe that my order will get picked up by Ford. (At least that's what I keep telling myself. )

I just sold my 2012 Boss for this car, so they better build it!

05fordgt

I understand what the reps are saying on the phone, but the one thing you have to remember is that they are NOT the dealers who get the cars and are not the Zone Reps who allocate them.


As to the Car and Driver article? That wouldn't be the 1st time they were wrong.

I hope they build it for you as well. What color did you order bud?

farmboy90

Right now it will be Deep Impact with Black Stripes and the glass roof.

05fordgt

That will be a SICK color combo bud!!!

Kabooka

Sounds like I better quit kicking the tires and order. I got a dealer lined up, was just hoping to wait a few more months. I'm thinking that may be a big mistake.

Five Oh Brian

GT500's are limited and they are allocated on a per dealer basis. I order all Mustangs, SVT's, and Shelbys for our store, and like Jeff's store, we get just 2 '13 GT500's per Ford. If we order a third car it will not be built. Ford tends to allocate more GT500's in the southern states where the weather is better (and more Mustangs are historically sold). Up here in the north, many dealers get no GT500's or just one, while some of us get two or three.

Now, as the model year progresses there may be more GT500's allocated if Ford sees that there are dealers not ordering their allocation. Those "unwanted" allocations will be redistributed to other dealers later in the '13 model year. Most every year we get an extra specialty Mustang this way, but we can't count on it as it doesn't always happen.

outtaphase

This thread makes me glad I ordered when I did. My dealer has an allocation of 2, and I was the first to order. Some dealers around here have 0 allocation.

Interestingly, my dealer still has a '12 sitting on the showroom floor, and it's been there a long time. Red convert/white stripe though, not really my idea of what a Shelby should look like. To each their own I suppose.

speedrx

I can't undersand why Ford would turn down any business, especially a sold vehicle ordered by a customer with a high profit margin. They would have to sell 8 to 10 Fiestas just to match the profit of 1 GT500. This just doesn't sound like good business practice, even in a great economy which this is not.

05fordgt

Its not that Ford is turning down business, its that dealers put orders in for cars that they don't have allocation for. That is the problem. If the OP were to call up another dealer who has allocation and its not sold, he can take that car and he'll be guaranteed his car

farmboy90

Bad news it seems. My salesman emailed me today and said they have to refund my money. He said they aren't getting any more allocation this year. Here is what he said:

"I went to Paul and he went to our VP. I regret to have to tell you that we will not receive additional allocation for 2013 GT500. Your deposit will be refunded.
I found out late yesterday. I was hoping to have favorable news for you after a meeting yesterday between our VP and our regional Ford rep."

Seems odd that the entire year allocation is somehow known only a couple weeks into the production year. Anyone calling BS on this?

A dealer friend of mine told me that this means the owner or someone probably found out my deal was for $1000 over invoice. And he got pissed so he is telling my salesman to refund the money and cancel my order. I have an order that I signed and gave him a deposit. Do I have any recourse here?

speedrx

I don't see a difference, if Ford is limiting allocations, they are potentially turning down business. If someone walks into a dealership with cash and the dealer said they can't sell them a car, that is not a good situation for Ford or the dealer.

05fordgt

Hey bud, I'm sorry to hear about your news! About allocation for the entire year being known weeks into production is not BS. Its the god's honest truth. Like I wrote earlier and what Brian wrote above, Ford allocates these cars ahead of time, to let the dealers know how many they have to sell and so issues like what you just experienced, don't happen. Its why I won't offer a 2013 to anyone else who comes in. We know how many we're getting and unless a dealer turns down a late in the year allocation (which is a stretch), we won't get another. They do it this way to keep track of cars and orders and not oversell and upset customers.

About your deal and having recourse? That's tricky. It depends on your state. But for proof, you have to prove that they DO have allocation for your order and didn't want to sell it to you at the agreed price. And with that, was your order signed by management? I hope you can get a car somewhere bud. If you need help finding one, I can help point you in the right direction

05fordgt

Your right, its not a good situation, but in the end, its not the dealer's fault they can't get more cars, if Ford allocates them to keep them "limited" and in the far far future, collectible and maybe more valuable than when new. Its no different with the Boss 302s. They are the same way. Allocated before production to keep tabs on orders and cars and to keep them limited.

Whammer

Farmboy, contact 05fordgt. He'll search out a dealer for you and hook you up, he's a good guy and can be trusted to help you get your car.