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6/9/10, 05:16 PM
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Not thrilled with the new ads.
I've been around here since 2004. Alot of members here are willing to even pay to keep this website open, and have done so. I'm one of them.
I'm not excited about the ads, especially the ones inside the threads. Please consider other ways of generating revenue. Even asking the members to chip in a little more would probably go a long ways.
I've been around here since 2004. Alot of members here are willing to even pay to keep this website open, and have done so. I'm one of them.
I'm not excited about the ads, especially the ones inside the threads. Please consider other ways of generating revenue. Even asking the members to chip in a little more would probably go a long ways.
6/9/10, 05:19 PM
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Was just gonna make a thread on this myself. Pages are taking forever to load now, which is something I've never had trouble with on here before. If ads start appearing on the sides, I'm gone. And that's a lot from me considering how addicted I am to this site. At least give the option for paid members to have them turned off.
6/9/10, 05:45 PM
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I don't mind banner ads, but the fact the pages are loading so much slower is where I am concerned - and the huge data dump I got from browsing F150forum the other evening. I'm going to isolate and track to verify, then post.
Ads are one thing - but happy customers - THAT MEANS TMS MEMBERS - are MOST Important! And don't be shovin' junk on my system!!
You may wind up with a site with wonderful ads - and NO members (EYEBALLS) left... how eager will your advertisers be to pay then?
Its all about 'sticky eyeballs' - and that comes from happy members posting...
Ads are one thing - but happy customers - THAT MEANS TMS MEMBERS - are MOST Important! And don't be shovin' junk on my system!!
You may wind up with a site with wonderful ads - and NO members (EYEBALLS) left... how eager will your advertisers be to pay then?
Its all about 'sticky eyeballs' - and that comes from happy members posting...
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6/9/10, 06:06 PM
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I just want to report I'm not having the slowness issues... yet.
I'm sure I'm in the queue though. If it gets to be bad, I know how to kill it for myself...
/DSL and Cable, depending on my three locations, is what I use, so...
I'm sure I'm in the queue though. If it gets to be bad, I know how to kill it for myself...
/DSL and Cable, depending on my three locations, is what I use, so...
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6/9/10, 06:30 PM
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For "not changing anything", pages are loading slow and hanging requiring refresh... and its not just me and my Hughes SatNet...
(Edit - this post took 8 seconds to load after clicking 'submit'.)
(Edit - this post took 8 seconds to load after clicking 'submit'.)
Ive noticed in the past few days that sometimes pages are slow to load for me as well. Usually sometimes in upwards 30sec or more. sometimes hitting F5 will immediately refresh and load hte page. I know our old host had to tweak quite a few things, not sure if its the same issue.
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6/9/10, 06:41 PM
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Hey guys,
I totally understand where you're coming from so let me try to address some of your concerns. There have always been ads on this site. I know because I removed Brad's ad tag and put ours in it's place a few hours ago. We try to always keep our ads to a minimum though and I think if you look at some other sites compared to the ones we run we have a lot less.
There were a few people talking about the speed of the site being slow before the ads were put in place so I'm not sure if the slowness your experiencing is connected to the ads. We are the only site on a very fast dedicated server in the middle of the country so I'm not sure what the issue is but we will try and figure it out. We pay a company to help us out with server performance issues so we can get them involved if needed.
As far as the ads are concerned, we are using Google/DoubleClick for our Ad Server which runs some of the largest websites on the internet. I'm not saying it's impossible that they are causing long page loads but its rare. We will keep an eye on it since this is a new install.
Take a look out our other site www.f150forum.com and see how the ads are over there. That's a pretty good idea of where we are headed long term and our members are pretty happy with the site.
Thanks.
I totally understand where you're coming from so let me try to address some of your concerns. There have always been ads on this site. I know because I removed Brad's ad tag and put ours in it's place a few hours ago. We try to always keep our ads to a minimum though and I think if you look at some other sites compared to the ones we run we have a lot less.
There were a few people talking about the speed of the site being slow before the ads were put in place so I'm not sure if the slowness your experiencing is connected to the ads. We are the only site on a very fast dedicated server in the middle of the country so I'm not sure what the issue is but we will try and figure it out. We pay a company to help us out with server performance issues so we can get them involved if needed.
As far as the ads are concerned, we are using Google/DoubleClick for our Ad Server which runs some of the largest websites on the internet. I'm not saying it's impossible that they are causing long page loads but its rare. We will keep an eye on it since this is a new install.
Take a look out our other site www.f150forum.com and see how the ads are over there. That's a pretty good idea of where we are headed long term and our members are pretty happy with the site.
Thanks.
6/9/10, 06:44 PM
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BTW, are you on Hughes Sat too? I know Scott is too and he's been having slow page loads as well. Maybe it's ISP based.
6/9/10, 07:00 PM
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Its so slow for me that it times out before my post gets up. Took me 3 tries to get this one up. Something is definitely different, in the past if I wasn't logged in and I clicked on a thread on the main page it would go to the last page of the thread. Now it goes to the first one, even if its a 500 page thread. That just started yesterday. I'm on DSL.
6/9/10, 07:05 PM
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Just installed this, and it's WAY faster. 
6/9/10, 07:06 PM
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The ads changed a couple hours ago so this isn't related. I want to make sure we figure out the issue though. Do you now how to do a traceroute? If so could you send me a Private Message with the name of your ISP and the results of your traceroute?
Also, could you try to connect to www.F150Forum.com and see if you have the same issues there. That sites runs on a different box and different IP but the server specs are the same and they are right next to each other in the same data center.
Thanks.
Don't worry... we will get this figured out.
Also, could you try to connect to www.F150Forum.com and see if you have the same issues there. That sites runs on a different box and different IP but the server specs are the same and they are right next to each other in the same data center.
Thanks.
Don't worry... we will get this figured out.
6/9/10, 07:12 PM
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No problems here either.
6/9/10, 07:15 PM
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Thanks guys, the feedback really helps. I'm almost positive this has to do with the server move and a hand full of ISPs not updating their nameservers fast enough and it's causing page load issues.
If I get the data I can go to the server admins and get this fixed.
If I get the data I can go to the server admins and get this fixed.
6/9/10, 07:27 PM
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No problems here as of yet either, if anything I find it to be faster...
Just a thought, what if you start a thread and give everyone a heads up as to that changes you will be making and what we can expect? I'm sure that you have a lot of things planned, some we will like and some we won't either way if people have a timeline of what to expect and when then maybe there will be less resistance.
I have not been a member here nearly as long as some but long enough to know that people are members of this site for a reason and that reason was because it was not a forum like many others. We had very few ads, no pictures in signatures, etc. It was always kept very clean and easy to navigate.
Maybe if you acknowledge those things and let members know you understand where we are coming from we will be more receptive to the changes you make. Why just make changes and put out fires later when you could be upfront and let everyone know whats changing. You may even hear some ideas that could improve the modifications you have planed for the good of everyone.
Just some food for thought...
Just a thought, what if you start a thread and give everyone a heads up as to that changes you will be making and what we can expect? I'm sure that you have a lot of things planned, some we will like and some we won't either way if people have a timeline of what to expect and when then maybe there will be less resistance.
I have not been a member here nearly as long as some but long enough to know that people are members of this site for a reason and that reason was because it was not a forum like many others. We had very few ads, no pictures in signatures, etc. It was always kept very clean and easy to navigate.
Maybe if you acknowledge those things and let members know you understand where we are coming from we will be more receptive to the changes you make. Why just make changes and put out fires later when you could be upfront and let everyone know whats changing. You may even hear some ideas that could improve the modifications you have planed for the good of everyone.
Just some food for thought...
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6/9/10, 07:35 PM
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No problems here as well, nice and fast. And a trace-route is always a good start in finding a problem, most of the time and I should know, being an CCIE, I know a few things about dem networks.
and I should know, being an CCIE, I know a few things about dem networks.
6/9/10, 07:37 PM
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My reply took about 0.5 seconds to post after I hit reply. I think there must be something slowing you down on your way to the server and not necessarily the server itself. Maybe you could do a traceroute and PM me the results?
BTW, are you on Hughes Sat too? I know Scott is too and he's been having slow page loads as well. Maybe it's ISP based.
BTW, are you on Hughes Sat too? I know Scott is too and he's been having slow page loads as well. Maybe it's ISP based.
Yes Hughes is going to be slower than most people have access to. There's a delay when I hit submit as it sends a radio signal from my dish to the sat. Then the sat processes my request thru their servers and downloads pretty fast (up to 700kbs they claim). So I realize I'm not going to be instant like those with real broadband. But I am noticing a significant difference (slower) compared to how the site was acting before.
And because of daily bandwidth limitations from Hughes, if banner ads are fat files (there are many idiots that haven't figured out it doesn't look any prettier on screen creating a fat file), if they have vids, if a newsite starts playing a vid they didn't forewarn me about, if members post huge mega million pixel pics; I close the tab immediately so I don't burn my bandwidth and move on to another website. They just lost my eyeballs.
Clean, simple, skinny files would make the entire internet run better instead of the bottlenecks we have today with idiot fat file creators. Give me a great ad with a good tease and I'll click it - then they can play their flash crap. Maybe I'll watch, maybe I click em off.
Rant over!
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6/9/10, 07:58 PM
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No problems here as of yet either, if anything I find it to be faster...
Just a thought, what if you start a thread and give everyone a heads up as to that changes you will be making and what we can expect? I'm sure that you have a lot of things planned, some we will like and some we won't either way if people have a timeline of what to expect and when then maybe there will be less resistance.
I have not been a member here nearly as long as some but long enough to know that people are members of this site for a reason and that reason was because it was not a forum like many others. We had very few ads, no pictures in signatures, etc. It was always kept very clean and easy to navigate.
Maybe if you acknowledge those things and let members know you understand where we are coming from we will be more receptive to the changes you make. Why just make changes and put out fires later when you could be upfront and let everyone know whats changing. You may even hear some ideas that could improve the modifications you have planed for the good of everyone.
Just some food for thought...
Just a thought, what if you start a thread and give everyone a heads up as to that changes you will be making and what we can expect? I'm sure that you have a lot of things planned, some we will like and some we won't either way if people have a timeline of what to expect and when then maybe there will be less resistance.
I have not been a member here nearly as long as some but long enough to know that people are members of this site for a reason and that reason was because it was not a forum like many others. We had very few ads, no pictures in signatures, etc. It was always kept very clean and easy to navigate.
Maybe if you acknowledge those things and let members know you understand where we are coming from we will be more receptive to the changes you make. Why just make changes and put out fires later when you could be upfront and let everyone know whats changing. You may even hear some ideas that could improve the modifications you have planed for the good of everyone.
Just some food for thought...
6/9/10, 08:03 PM
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Here's what I don't understand guys - when I'm on a number of other sites, after they've stored their cookie they don't keep repeating the intro ad.
Now, every page I go to with TMS has a flash ad loading every time! If you can't recognize my cookie so you don't repeat that, or if you're going to load a flash ad on every page, I'm going to have to go.
Nothing against you guys but Hughes lays this daily bandwidth limitation on us. And unfortunately the web pages are getting fatter by the day but Hughes does not increase its allowance. This is my only choice for internet here in the mountains and I depend on the net for many things throughout the day. Can't sacrifice my access because your flash banner ads don't recognize my cookie (or that you may get a stipend for each time an ad loads...).
Now, every page I go to with TMS has a flash ad loading every time! If you can't recognize my cookie so you don't repeat that, or if you're going to load a flash ad on every page, I'm going to have to go.
Nothing against you guys but Hughes lays this daily bandwidth limitation on us. And unfortunately the web pages are getting fatter by the day but Hughes does not increase its allowance. This is my only choice for internet here in the mountains and I depend on the net for many things throughout the day. Can't sacrifice my access because your flash banner ads don't recognize my cookie (or that you may get a stipend for each time an ad loads...).
6/9/10, 08:15 PM
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We can certainly give a heads up the changes we will be making, allowing members a chance to adjust or get ready to adjust. Some changes we do make on the fly though (but these are usually minor), but if we know something is coming up we can give a heads up.
To be honest, given that ads had been running on the site and some of them were flash ads, I wasn't quite expecting such a reaction. I understand some people not being fond of the idea, but there have always been ads running.
I also agree that a lot of these issues probably stem from the server changing and we'll work on getting those taken care of.
To be honest, given that ads had been running on the site and some of them were flash ads, I wasn't quite expecting such a reaction. I understand some people not being fond of the idea, but there have always been ads running.
I also agree that a lot of these issues probably stem from the server changing and we'll work on getting those taken care of.