I'm So Getting Rid of This Piece of ****
9/26/16, 01:19 PM
#41
A Man Just Needs Some....
Like I said, if that's how gm does it then great. Not a ton of experience with them. I KNOW Ford does not do it this way. I've worked in Livonia transmission. Worked in all the Michigan assembly plants. Romeo engine, Woodhaven stamping, Rouge, Wixom, etc. I'm also sitting next to a former American axle employee and they never used such a system while he was there.
9/26/16, 01:28 PM
#42
I Have No Life
But you only see them once they hit the assembly plant. Not the plant building the rear ends. Not the plant building the trans or even engine. If these parts are shared with other vehicles, they will be tested and graded. Transmissions are not just built and not tested or engines and rear ends. They are not all perfect but still used being close enough but not in the Lincoln. Maybe it's not this way for every manufacturer but shortcuts are taken on the base models. And cheaper parts are used to make the cheaper cars.
9/26/16, 02:25 PM
#43
A Man Just Needs Some....
9/26/16, 02:35 PM
#44
So in the last 10 thousand miles my car has blown the pinion seal, the AC system **** the bed and had to be completely replaced and now the water pump just died. The car has 42 thousand miles on it. This is not what I call a quality product. This POS is getting traded as soon as I get it back from the shop. Never again.
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Fawls (9/26/16)
9/26/16, 04:17 PM
#45
Mach 1 Member
To OP, sorry to hear you've had so many issues. When I see this stuff it makes me nervous as I just turned 35K.
As far as reliability for vehicles. Hondas and Toyotas are pretty bulitproof for daily commuters. If you want a truck, you probably dont want to heat it but Fords are great. Jeep Wranglers are always solid. Toyota makes great trucks as well.
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9/27/16, 12:24 AM
#46
Mach 1 Member
Thread Starter
Agree 100%. Worked at multiple Honda plants while interning in college. Have freinds that worke for Ford and Crysler They definitely do not do this. Nor do I believe any other manufacturer would. To claim thats a regular practice is completely ridiculous.
To OP, sorry to hear you've had so many issues. When I see this stuff it makes me nervous as I just turned 35K.
As far as reliability for vehicles. Hondas and Toyotas are pretty bulitproof for daily commuters. If you want a truck, you probably dont want to heat it but Fords are great. Jeep Wranglers are always solid. Toyota makes great trucks as well.
To OP, sorry to hear you've had so many issues. When I see this stuff it makes me nervous as I just turned 35K.
As far as reliability for vehicles. Hondas and Toyotas are pretty bulitproof for daily commuters. If you want a truck, you probably dont want to heat it but Fords are great. Jeep Wranglers are always solid. Toyota makes great trucks as well.
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9/27/16, 07:23 AM
#47
Legacy TMS Member
From what I have seen through the years, the V6 cars have always been built with lesser quality. Mustangs, Camaros, challengers, SUVs, trucks, etc. If there's a V8 option, it's built better. Even if you consider looking at all the engineering and testing of the ecoboost, the V6 is just a zero effort offering. It's just an affordable option to sell a nameplate. The car was designed, then they decided to throw a V6 in it for an affordable option. Drivetrain, suspension, braking, everything subpar.
But you only see them once they hit the assembly plant. Not the plant building the rear ends. Not the plant building the trans or even engine. If these parts are shared with other vehicles, they will be tested and graded. Transmissions are not just built and not tested or engines and rear ends. They are not all perfect but still used being close enough but not in the Lincoln. Maybe it's not this way for every manufacturer but shortcuts are taken on the base models. And cheaper parts are used to make the cheaper cars.
Beyond that, do you really think the system works something like the below?
- Sterling Axle plant in Sterling Heights, MI is building all the rear axles for Mustangs.
- Once assembled, somebody is testing those axles and giving them a rating.
- That rating is fed into Ford's system and then those axles make it to the Flat Rock plant where Mustangs are assembled.
- At Flat Rock, those axles are lined up in an order that's coinciding with the order of cars coming down the line.
- Ooh it's a GT Premium - it gets the best axle.
- Hmmm, here's a V6 base model - they get the crappiest rear axle.
- Now we've got a V6 Premium and a GT base, which one should get a better axle? So hard to decide!
If the overall reliability of the base models is lower (and I seriously doubt it is), the most likely cause is probably that base models tend to be daily drivers, not garage queens like so many of GT's owned on here, and accumulate more mileage and wear & tear.
If this ever did happen, it sounds like something out of the late 70's/early 80's and something no car company would be careless enough to do today. The OP got a bad one, no doubt, but that happens to every manufacturer on the planet.
Like I said, if that's how gm does it then great. Not a ton of experience with them. I KNOW Ford does not do it this way. I've worked in Livonia transmission. Worked in all the Michigan assembly plants. Romeo engine, Woodhaven stamping, Rouge, Wixom, etc.
I'm also sitting next to a former American axle employee and they never used such a system while he was there.
I'm also sitting next to a former American axle employee and they never used such a system while he was there.
9/27/16, 12:01 PM
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Funny you should mention that . . .
I have a 2006 Camry base model that has been practically trouble free in over 200,000 miles. It's a very basic car but it seems it will stay reliable forever.
My wife has a 2014 Honda Civic. We bought it expecting it to be trouble free also . . . . not so much. It has had several electrical problems and now the air conditioning compressor sounds like it is going to explode. Also has some fit and finish issues -- nothing major, but noticeable if you are picky. Definitely not in line with expectations for Honda.
My 2010 GT has over 90K miles and has been near perfect . . . I think it's just the luck of the draw.
I have a 2006 Camry base model that has been practically trouble free in over 200,000 miles. It's a very basic car but it seems it will stay reliable forever.
My wife has a 2014 Honda Civic. We bought it expecting it to be trouble free also . . . . not so much. It has had several electrical problems and now the air conditioning compressor sounds like it is going to explode. Also has some fit and finish issues -- nothing major, but noticeable if you are picky. Definitely not in line with expectations for Honda.
My 2010 GT has over 90K miles and has been near perfect . . . I think it's just the luck of the draw.
9/27/16, 12:22 PM
#50
I Have No Life
Funny you should mention that . . .
I have a 2006 Camry base model that has been practically trouble free in over 200,000 miles. It's a very basic car but it seems it will stay reliable forever.
My wife has a 2014 Honda Civic. We bought it expecting it to be trouble free also . . . . not so much. It has had several electrical problems and now the air conditioning compressor sounds like it is going to explode. Also has some fit and finish issues -- nothing major, but noticeable if you are picky. Definitely not in line with expectations for Honda.
My 2010 GT has over 90K miles and has been near perfect . . . I think it's just the luck of the draw.
I have a 2006 Camry base model that has been practically trouble free in over 200,000 miles. It's a very basic car but it seems it will stay reliable forever.
My wife has a 2014 Honda Civic. We bought it expecting it to be trouble free also . . . . not so much. It has had several electrical problems and now the air conditioning compressor sounds like it is going to explode. Also has some fit and finish issues -- nothing major, but noticeable if you are picky. Definitely not in line with expectations for Honda.
My 2010 GT has over 90K miles and has been near perfect . . . I think it's just the luck of the draw.
9/27/16, 12:29 PM
#51
Cobra R Member
These days it's about finding the specific product line that is well built. I know a lot of folks weren't happy with a lot of Ford cars moving to Mexico for assembly, but they are generally built better there. Same with the European assembled cars. Sometimes it's worthwhile finding where a car is assembled and checking history of the plant in terms of quality. Some plants are known to put out good product and others are not.
9/27/16, 10:20 PM
#52
Mach 1 Member
Thread Starter
This whole theory is laughable. Why on earth would Ford want the volume model of Mustang (the V6 prior to 2015) that makes up 2/3+ of their sales, to be built with cheaper parts that lead to more failures, warranty claims and problems?
Beyond that, do you really think the system works something like the below?
- Sterling Axle plant in Sterling Heights, MI is building all the rear axles for Mustangs.
- Once assembled, somebody is testing those axles and giving them a rating.
- That rating is fed into Ford's system and then those axles make it to the Flat Rock plant where Mustangs are assembled.
- At Flat Rock, those axles are lined up in an order that's coinciding with the order of cars coming down the line.
- Ooh it's a GT Premium - it gets the best axle.
- Hmmm, here's a V6 base model - they get the crappiest rear axle.
- Now we've got a V6 Premium and a GT base, which one should get a better axle? So hard to decide!
If the overall reliability of the base models is lower (and I seriously doubt it is), the most likely cause is probably that base models tend to be daily drivers, not garage queens like so many of GT's owned on here, and accumulate more mileage and wear & tear.
If this ever did happen, it sounds like something out of the late 70's/early 80's and something no car company would be careless enough to do today. The OP got a bad one, no doubt, but that happens to every manufacturer on the planet.
Yep.
Beyond that, do you really think the system works something like the below?
- Sterling Axle plant in Sterling Heights, MI is building all the rear axles for Mustangs.
- Once assembled, somebody is testing those axles and giving them a rating.
- That rating is fed into Ford's system and then those axles make it to the Flat Rock plant where Mustangs are assembled.
- At Flat Rock, those axles are lined up in an order that's coinciding with the order of cars coming down the line.
- Ooh it's a GT Premium - it gets the best axle.
- Hmmm, here's a V6 base model - they get the crappiest rear axle.
- Now we've got a V6 Premium and a GT base, which one should get a better axle? So hard to decide!
If the overall reliability of the base models is lower (and I seriously doubt it is), the most likely cause is probably that base models tend to be daily drivers, not garage queens like so many of GT's owned on here, and accumulate more mileage and wear & tear.
If this ever did happen, it sounds like something out of the late 70's/early 80's and something no car company would be careless enough to do today. The OP got a bad one, no doubt, but that happens to every manufacturer on the planet.
Yep.
Not to play devils advocate on behalf of Al but I have noticed that my rear axle was left unpainted and subsequently developed a coating of surface rust while all of the GT's and special edition V6 Mustangs I have seen had painted axles. I'm sure it was left unpainted so that Ford could save production costs. Frankly I wasn't thrilled about the concept of paying 26 grand for a car that had a rusty axle two months later. All of these car companies now are just run by bean counting penny pinchers who find ways to cut costs wherever they can. As a result we end up with things like cheap pinion seals and cheap plastic impellers in our water pumps. Also I could agree with you regarding the car getting miles put on it because it was my daily driver but any car that has three major failures with less than 50K on it is just not acceptable to me regardless of weather it's a daily driver or a garage queen. If it was something like a bad power window switch or a brake rotor that has to be replaced that's one thing. But when I had to have the entire AC system replaced at 37K I started to get concerned and there is a thread on this forum that has numerous owners who have had their AC system die somewhere between 30 and 60K. It's very disappointing because I really enjoyed the car and it is great looking car but I am just not going to deal with yet another issue every couple of months.
https://themustangsource.com/forums/...nt-out-522446/
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9/27/16, 10:22 PM
#53
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Thread Starter
I can relate... we bought the wifey a 2013 Prius V, first time owning a Toyota vehicle, expecting all this wowness around reliability, etc. True to form, reliability is good, no issues - but man oh man. The build quality is awful. Ford makes a better vehicle in that sense, and that's not saying much. I've had rattles in the Toyota since 6 months in. Took it in several times to fix it. No avail. Just cheaply made. They put everything in the powerplant, but then forget about the build quality/interior. Terrible.
9/28/16, 12:04 AM
#54
Originally Posted by 3point7
Not to play devils advocate on behalf of Al but I have noticed that my rear axle was left unpainted and subsequently developed a coating of surface rust while all of the GT's and special edition V6 Mustangs I have seen had painted axles. I'm sure it was left unpainted so that Ford could save production costs.
9/28/16, 01:41 AM
#55
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Thread Starter
A good friend of mine has a grabber blue Mustang Club of America edition with the V6 and her rear axle is painted. I made sure to check.
9/28/16, 03:46 AM
#56
Legacy TMS Member
I have a Mustang Club of America Performance Package V6 and I know for a fact my rear axle is not painted. It is only missing 3 available options, Recaro's, back up camera and glass roof.
9/28/16, 03:59 AM
#57
Mach 1 Member
Thread Starter
It makes me wonder now how they decide which cars get painted axles and which ones do not because my friends MCoA car definitely has a painted axle. I made it a point to check it when I discovered that mine was not. Her car also does not have backup camera or glass roof. It has leather seats. I was really disappointed the first time I took my car to Firestone to have the tires rotated at 5K miles and discovered rust on my axle. Just very disappointed in the corner cutting that Ford does with these cars given that buyers can get much better quality for the same or less money. I've learned my lesson and sadly I will not be back. Great looking car and I really liked it but just not going to go through this anymore.
9/28/16, 06:11 AM
#58
So three problems were fixed under warranty and more than likely will not be an issue. Is there any reason to suspect that the car is suddenly going to fail? If not, keep it until you no longer have negative equity.
9/28/16, 06:44 AM
#59
Shelby GT350 Member
Funny you should mention that . . .
I have a 2006 Camry base model that has been practically trouble free in over 200,000 miles. It's a very basic car but it seems it will stay reliable forever.
My wife has a 2014 Honda Civic. We bought it expecting it to be trouble free also . . . . not so much. It has had several electrical problems and now the air conditioning compressor sounds like it is going to explode. Also has some fit and finish issues -- nothing major, but noticeable if you are picky. Definitely not in line with expectations for Honda.
My 2010 GT has over 90K miles and has been near perfect . . . I think it's just the luck of the draw.
I have a 2006 Camry base model that has been practically trouble free in over 200,000 miles. It's a very basic car but it seems it will stay reliable forever.
My wife has a 2014 Honda Civic. We bought it expecting it to be trouble free also . . . . not so much. It has had several electrical problems and now the air conditioning compressor sounds like it is going to explode. Also has some fit and finish issues -- nothing major, but noticeable if you are picky. Definitely not in line with expectations for Honda.
My 2010 GT has over 90K miles and has been near perfect . . . I think it's just the luck of the draw.
I can relate... we bought the wifey a 2013 Prius V, first time owning a Toyota vehicle, expecting all this wowness around reliability, etc. True to form, reliability is good, no issues - but man oh man. The build quality is awful. Ford makes a better vehicle in that sense, and that's not saying much. I've had rattles in the Toyota since 6 months in. Took it in several times to fix it. No avail. Just cheaply made. They put everything in the powerplant, but then forget about the build quality/interior. Terrible.
My mom's 2010 Civic has had a litany of fit and finish issues, interior pieces breaking, door weatherstripping peeling away, and check engine light issues. I have a friend with a 2010+ Corolla and he had plenty of issues including the water pump and transmission taking a dump before 100k miles. In the 80's 90's and early 00's Toyota's and Honda's were the best in reliability. Now it seems they have started cutting corners...all for more profit I bet!
9/28/16, 07:17 AM
#60
Mach 1 Member
To the OP - it really depends on the car. I bought a 2005 Mustang V6 when they first came out and it was total lemon. I had so many problems with it Ford bought it back. I drove Toyota for awhile and had hit or miss experience. I have had 2 2010 Mustang GTs and they have worked with no issues at all. I guess it may be true it depends on weather a company has a good day at the factory when they built your car. No matter what brand.