Need HELP quick. Car broke
1/6/10, 07:48 AM
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Need HELP quick. Car broke
Ok guys I finally started to install my cams and last night when I was installing them the front LH cam tower broke. The cam was about a 1/8" to far forward. The buddy of mine helping me was doing that side and didn't notice it. Any way I need a LH cam front cam tower for my 08 GT. I'm going to call Ford and see how much they are.
Any help please.
Thanks
Chris
Any help please.
Thanks
Chris
1/6/10, 12:12 PM
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Yup, they come with the cylinder head. Just goes to show that one little screw up can be very costly for us do it yourselfers. I hope you get it figured out!
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1/6/10, 12:34 PM
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I agree! Man this makes the like the old push rod motors so much better. I can build them with my eyes closed! LOL
1/6/10, 01:06 PM
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Explain what you mean by it broke? The aluminum casting of the head? During torque down of the bearing cap? Gotta pic?
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1/6/10, 01:43 PM
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I didn't take a pic I should have. The cap broke in the front. The back and all is still good. Where the cap holds the cam down and the oil line is all still good. The cam has a made on washer the goes in the front cap that keeps the cam from moving front to back. The very front part of the cap broke off. It's hard to explain. I can see if I can get a pic of it. The car is still at my buddy's house.
1/6/10, 01:50 PM
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I didn't take a pic I should have. The cap broke in the front. The back and all is still good. Where the cap holds the cam down and the oil line is all still good. The cam has a made on washer the goes in the front cap that keeps the cam from moving front to back. The very front part of the cap broke off. It's hard to explain. I can see if I can get a pic of it. The car is still at my buddy's house.
If so, I'd start asking around for a QUALITY machine shop. Either they can possibly repair the existing (doubtful but without a pic I'm throwing the idea out there), or get a cap from a wrecked 3V (if Ford really can't get you one
), and then have the machine shop mic (& machine if necessary) the replacement for exactness to your broken one.I've pulled off many an odd repair using a good machine shop. I like the 'old boys' because they have seen and done it, and aren't bound by 'but the book says'...
#2 & 21
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1/6/10, 03:58 PM
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I get it...
That really sucks because when the heads are assembled, the caps are installed and then line bored. The cam caps are just like main caps or connecting rod caps, they are specific to it's mate. As you are aware, you cannot just put a cap off of another head on it and expect it to work.
http://www.s197forum.com/forum/showt...st+bearing+cap
Although with today's advanced machinery, you'd think they'd be extremely consistent & precise from head to head.
I still think a good machine shop could pull off machining another one to match yours.
Or there's take off's of heads (ouch)...
http://www.newtakeoff.com/
That really sucks because when the heads are assembled, the caps are installed and then line bored. The cam caps are just like main caps or connecting rod caps, they are specific to it's mate. As you are aware, you cannot just put a cap off of another head on it and expect it to work.
http://www.s197forum.com/forum/showt...st+bearing+cap
Although with today's advanced machinery, you'd think they'd be extremely consistent & precise from head to head.
I still think a good machine shop could pull off machining another one to match yours.
Or there's take off's of heads (ouch)...
http://www.newtakeoff.com/
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1/6/10, 04:33 PM
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Find a good machine shop near you and have them chart the bearing cap and make you a new one. It is a piece of cake with the proper equipment. It is true that the caps are assembled on the heads and line bored which make all of them unique. But trust me a good machine shop can make a duplicate charted and machine for less the $250 bucks.
1/7/10, 08:02 AM
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Well that's better than the head casting. So Ford said you can't buy a separate 'thrust bearing cap'? That seems ridiculous.
If so, I'd start asking around for a QUALITY machine shop. Either they can possibly repair the existing (doubtful but without a pic I'm throwing the idea out there), or get a cap from a wrecked 3V (if Ford really can't get you one ), and then have the machine shop mic (& machine if necessary) the replacement for exactness to your broken one.
I've pulled off many an odd repair using a good machine shop. I like the 'old boys' because they have seen and done it, and aren't bound by 'but the book says'...
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If so, I'd start asking around for a QUALITY machine shop. Either they can possibly repair the existing (doubtful but without a pic I'm throwing the idea out there), or get a cap from a wrecked 3V (if Ford really can't get you one
), and then have the machine shop mic (& machine if necessary) the replacement for exactness to your broken one.I've pulled off many an odd repair using a good machine shop. I like the 'old boys' because they have seen and done it, and aren't bound by 'but the book says'...
#2 & 21
Find a good machine shop near you and have them chart the bearing cap and make you a new one. It is a piece of cake with the proper equipment. It is true that the caps are assembled on the heads and line bored which make all of them unique. But trust me a good machine shop can make a duplicate charted and machine for less the $250 bucks.
I will have to try that. I will go around today at lunch and see what I can find out.
Thanks everyone for all the help!
1/7/10, 12:23 PM
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Number 21 is what I need. I may have found one but don't know yet. If so I'm going to install it and mike (how ever you spell it) it and see if it's close. If so I'm going to use it. Where did you get that pic from? If I could find a P/N Ford might be able to order me one. They can't order it because they havno P/N.
If you look at the pic. The part that broke is in the front towards the gear. Mine looks just like the one you have but the front of the cam cap is broke. It looks like a upside down C that just poped out the front. If I took a pic from the same angle on my car it would look just like the pic you posted.
I will have to try that. I will go around today at lunch and see what I can find out.
Thanks everyone for all the help!
If you look at the pic. The part that broke is in the front towards the gear. Mine looks just like the one you have but the front of the cam cap is broke. It looks like a upside down C that just poped out the front. If I took a pic from the same angle on my car it would look just like the pic you posted.
I will have to try that. I will go around today at lunch and see what I can find out.
Thanks everyone for all the help!
http://www.08bullittarchive.com/bullittarchive1_020.htm
I assumed it was the front part of the thrust bearing cap. I don't know how hard your friend was tightening but perhaps it was a weak casting to begin with...
Depending on how clean it broke and how much of a piece you have, there's a chance a machine shop could re-attach with drill and tap - of course allowing free movement of the corresponding part of the cam. If that's possible, you'd have the same piece that was line bored at the factory.
I couldn't come up with any part numbers from a brief try, but you might try a note to 'Five Oh Brian' - he might be able to come up with a Ford part number for you.
Good luck!
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1/7/10, 12:30 PM
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I got the schematic from the 08 Bullitt archive. The link has a list of numbers for the schematic but not part numbers:
http://www.08bullittarchive.com/bullittarchive1_020.htm
I assumed it was the front part of the thrust bearing cap. I don't know how hard your friend was tightening but perhaps it was a weak casting to begin with...
Depending on how clean it broke and how much of a piece you have, there's a chance a machine shop could re-attach with drill and tap - of course allowing free movement of the corresponding part of the cam. If that's possible, you'd have the same piece that was line bored at the factory.
I couldn't come up with any part numbers from a brief try, but you might try a note to 'Five Oh Brian' - he might be able to come up with a Ford part number for you.
Good luck!
http://www.08bullittarchive.com/bullittarchive1_020.htm
I assumed it was the front part of the thrust bearing cap. I don't know how hard your friend was tightening but perhaps it was a weak casting to begin with...
Depending on how clean it broke and how much of a piece you have, there's a chance a machine shop could re-attach with drill and tap - of course allowing free movement of the corresponding part of the cam. If that's possible, you'd have the same piece that was line bored at the factory.
I couldn't come up with any part numbers from a brief try, but you might try a note to 'Five Oh Brian' - he might be able to come up with a Ford part number for you.
Good luck!
1/7/10, 02:33 PM
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That is still pretty steep unless you are getting a custom dyno tune with it. Brenspeed did mine for $280 which is 4 hrs. labor @ $70/hr. They did them in 3-3 1/2 hrs. I watched.
1/7/10, 07:26 PM
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I just got a quote from brenspeed for my car for cams. labor is $395 to install them. I am going to get them installed there when the weather straightens up here. I live in hamilton ohio which is about 30 minutes north of cincinnati. modular depot wanted $824 labor and cincy speed shop was $1999 for everything. I live a little over 4 hours from brenspeed but it looks like from the money i am going to save its worth the trip there.
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I just got a quote from brenspeed for my car for cams. labor is $395 to install them. I am going to get them installed there when the weather straightens up here. I live in hamilton ohio which is about 30 minutes north of cincinnati. modular depot wanted $824 labor and cincy speed shop was $1999 for everything. I live a little over 4 hours from brenspeed but it looks like from the money i am going to save its worth the trip there.