Power Pack Upgrade Stage 2 GT 2015
11/15/17 | 05:25 AM
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Power Pack Upgrade Stage 2 GT 2015
OK, so I am new here and was looking for a bit of advice. I have a virgin '15 Mustang GT. ( PP) I've been looking at the FORD Power Pack Upgrade Stage 2. he Stage 3 ( and it could just be me) I think is overly priced for the little HP you get. Anyway the Stage 2 seems a good start. Also looking at get the XForce header-back exhaust system. Any suggestions, comments.. Pro's... Cons??
11/15/17 | 11:18 AM
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If I we're going to do this (can't, I have a '14), I'd go stage 3. 60 hp for $2500 is a deal in naturally aspirated dollars.
The problem is they don't have a way to upgrade from one pack to another. So if you go stage 2 you have to buy the whole stage 3 if you want more.
The problem is they don't have a way to upgrade from one pack to another. So if you go stage 2 you have to buy the whole stage 3 if you want more.
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11/15/17 | 11:39 AM
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Well, Like I had mentioned I am new to the forum and to this New Mustang GT. My only mustang (or ford) previously was a '76 mustang II.
Anyway I guess I'm just a bit stingy when it comes to spending that kind of money for that little bit of power. It seems that since the '15 GT's came out, a lot of the parts and accessories have gone up.. I recall looking at the GT 350 steering wheel back when I got my car and it was about $225. And then a few months later, when I was ready to buy it, the price doubled to $400. And that seems to be a trend with a lot of items for these cars. Anyway, long story short, I know there has got to be better options than just jumping on the bandwagon and doing the same thing that everyone else has done just because its there or because "its a good name". And I'm sure I will get flack for that comment, but I mean no harm by it. So I do apologize if anyone didn't take to kindly to it.
I've also spoken to a place that told me that they can get a Supercharger, plugs and thermostat into my car and add about 150-175 hp for under $5.5k. But they are also four states away from me. But their Tune kinda locks the car. Cause if you later decided to change tire size, add additional Fuel injectors and lines or any kind of change, YOU couldn't do anything to the Tune. You would have to take it back to them.
I am in no means a rich person. So dishing out about 2.5k for the 60-hp or 6+K for a Supercharger is just not an option for me at this time. Well I guess I'll keep looking and waiting around then. But thank you for the Info.
Anyway I guess I'm just a bit stingy when it comes to spending that kind of money for that little bit of power. It seems that since the '15 GT's came out, a lot of the parts and accessories have gone up.. I recall looking at the GT 350 steering wheel back when I got my car and it was about $225. And then a few months later, when I was ready to buy it, the price doubled to $400. And that seems to be a trend with a lot of items for these cars. Anyway, long story short, I know there has got to be better options than just jumping on the bandwagon and doing the same thing that everyone else has done just because its there or because "its a good name". And I'm sure I will get flack for that comment, but I mean no harm by it. So I do apologize if anyone didn't take to kindly to it.
I've also spoken to a place that told me that they can get a Supercharger, plugs and thermostat into my car and add about 150-175 hp for under $5.5k. But they are also four states away from me. But their Tune kinda locks the car. Cause if you later decided to change tire size, add additional Fuel injectors and lines or any kind of change, YOU couldn't do anything to the Tune. You would have to take it back to them.
I am in no means a rich person. So dishing out about 2.5k for the 60-hp or 6+K for a Supercharger is just not an option for me at this time. Well I guess I'll keep looking and waiting around then. But thank you for the Info.
11/15/17 | 01:35 PM
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Hey man, I get the money thing. I am by no means a poor person nor a rich person and the only power mod I have is a $400 tune.
But that doesn't change what's a good value in power. So first things first, sometimes these mods add low end torque but do not change the max HP. Looks like Power Packs 1 and 2 are primarily for torque gains. PP3 gives the most max HP gain, but less torque gain. This means that you will really need to rev a PP3 car to get your money's worth.
So just looking at $/max HP gained, and using real world pricing from https://fordracingpartsbydonwood.com
PP1 $490.60 for 13 HP is $37.74 / HP
PP2 $713.60 for 21 HP is $33.98 / HP
PP3 $1999.00 for 60 HP is $33.32 / HP
SC $5500 for 175 HP is $31.43 / HP using your estimate
So really each one is not too different in terms of value so maybe get whichever you can afford.
I gotta say, all of these options are cheap compared to the options even a decade ago. That was kind of my original point. Getting 60 HP without adding a blower is pretty impressive and used to require internal engine mods which got into some heavy labor.
But that doesn't change what's a good value in power. So first things first, sometimes these mods add low end torque but do not change the max HP. Looks like Power Packs 1 and 2 are primarily for torque gains. PP3 gives the most max HP gain, but less torque gain. This means that you will really need to rev a PP3 car to get your money's worth.
So just looking at $/max HP gained, and using real world pricing from https://fordracingpartsbydonwood.com
PP1 $490.60 for 13 HP is $37.74 / HP
PP2 $713.60 for 21 HP is $33.98 / HP
PP3 $1999.00 for 60 HP is $33.32 / HP
SC $5500 for 175 HP is $31.43 / HP using your estimate
So really each one is not too different in terms of value so maybe get whichever you can afford.
I gotta say, all of these options are cheap compared to the options even a decade ago. That was kind of my original point. Getting 60 HP without adding a blower is pretty impressive and used to require internal engine mods which got into some heavy labor.
11/16/17 | 05:10 AM
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True... I'm likely going to get the Power pack II as that fits my budget at this time. And I think I can add to it from there. I've seen quite a few YouTube Videos showing people doing their upgrades. I'm also looking into long-tube headers and exhaust. so we will see.. again thanks for the info... 
11/16/17 | 01:12 PM
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I have the PP2 and love it.
But, make sure you're comparing apples to apples. For PP3, it's 60HP max at 7500RPM:
- 37hp and 5lbs/ft peak gains over stock
- 60hp gain at 7500rpm
While, for PP2:
- 21hp and 24lbs/ft peak gains over stock
A good article for you to compare:
http://www.motoiq.com/MagazineArticl...Packs-1-3.aspx
Key Points/Cliff Notes:
If you're not tracking on a regular basis, the PP2 is probably more than enough, simply because of the Tq curve. While you don't lose any over stock with PP3, you gain less in the sweet spot of daily driving.
I was able to get my PP2 for $628 shipped for an online dealer. I paid $220 for Dallas Mustang to install so I could keep my factory warranty. In my eyes it was a bargain.
With all of the said, if I had a '15 that was likely close to out of warranty anyway, I'd potentially look at a different tuner, because your gains will be similar/better for likely less money. The benefit to Ford Performance is a less aggressive tune while keeping your factory warranty.
But, make sure you're comparing apples to apples. For PP3, it's 60HP max at 7500RPM:
- 37hp and 5lbs/ft peak gains over stock
- 60hp gain at 7500rpm
While, for PP2:
- 21hp and 24lbs/ft peak gains over stock
A good article for you to compare:
http://www.motoiq.com/MagazineArticl...Packs-1-3.aspx
Key Points/Cliff Notes:
Power pack 2
Once again, we were pleasantly surprised to see such an impressive peak to peak gain of 26.07whp and 30.78lb/ft of torque over stock, which is 5whp more than Ford’s claims. At 5,300rpm there is a maximum gain of 42.26whp and 41.86lb-ft.
Compared to Power Pack 1, PP2 has a peak to peak increase of 6.95whp and 6.74lb-ft of torque. While PP2 gives a modest increase of 3-4lb-ft of torque down low from 2,250-4,000rpm; as soon as you cross 4,000rpm, the larger intake tube and throttle body create a consistent 6whp increase all the way to its slightly higher 7,150rpm redline.
On the dyno, the GT350 “Cold Air Intake” is significantly louder, with a high pitch induction wail above 5,000rpm. Needless to say, the two large resonance chambers on the stock intake system definitely does something.
For $969, this 26.07whp increase puts the Power Pack 2 at $37 per HP, continuing to beat the $100/HP standard for NA power increases and making this one heck of a value for a daily driver. Ken from PBD added that the improved flow from the larger throttle body and ‘cold air intake’ enabled Ford to add more fuel and timing to essentially shift the entire torque curve up. However, the power drop-off above 6,500rpm remains, due to the high rpm flow restriction of the stock intake manifold.
Power Pack 3
At first glance, the PP3 is virtually identical to the stock curve up to 4,000rpm where the PP3 starts to notice a significant gain before annihilating the stock curve above 5,750rpm. PP3 results in a 37.3whp and 6.83lb-ft of torque increase over stock, which is right on Ford’s HP claims while being close to 2lb-ft of torque more with a redline of 7,450rpm.
A common internet misconception is that adding the GT350 Intake Manifold to a stock 5.0L Coyote will make it have WORSE low-end torque than the stock. The dyno above shows this to be false. From idle to 3,300rpm, Power Pack 3 actually makes more torque than stock with a maximum increase of 11.78lb-ft at 2,700rpm. There is a 6lb-ft loss between 3,300-4,000rpm but above that, the PP3 blows the stock car out of the water.
It’s interesting to see the GT350 manifold’s shorter runners shifted the HP peak from 6,500rpm to 7,150rpm while the torque peak had an even greater shift from 3,900rpm to 5,000rpm. The general trend is a flatter torque curve due to the increased bottom-end, flattened out mid-range, and a greatly improved top-end.
Conclusion
Power Pack 2 offers huge value and would be great for a daily driver meanwhile Power Pack 3 offers objectively better performance and acceleration for reduced lap times on track, while completely transforming the engine which now screams to redline like a high revving BOSS 302, GT350, or M3.
We learned that the GT350 intake manifold does not make less torque than stock, but it does sacrifice some midrange torque (compared to the stock manifold with a tune) for a higher redline, more power, and more area under the curve to deliver better acceleration. We also learned that everything from stock through PP3 will benefit from a higher redline.
Once again, we were pleasantly surprised to see such an impressive peak to peak gain of 26.07whp and 30.78lb/ft of torque over stock, which is 5whp more than Ford’s claims. At 5,300rpm there is a maximum gain of 42.26whp and 41.86lb-ft.
Compared to Power Pack 1, PP2 has a peak to peak increase of 6.95whp and 6.74lb-ft of torque. While PP2 gives a modest increase of 3-4lb-ft of torque down low from 2,250-4,000rpm; as soon as you cross 4,000rpm, the larger intake tube and throttle body create a consistent 6whp increase all the way to its slightly higher 7,150rpm redline.
On the dyno, the GT350 “Cold Air Intake” is significantly louder, with a high pitch induction wail above 5,000rpm. Needless to say, the two large resonance chambers on the stock intake system definitely does something.
For $969, this 26.07whp increase puts the Power Pack 2 at $37 per HP, continuing to beat the $100/HP standard for NA power increases and making this one heck of a value for a daily driver. Ken from PBD added that the improved flow from the larger throttle body and ‘cold air intake’ enabled Ford to add more fuel and timing to essentially shift the entire torque curve up. However, the power drop-off above 6,500rpm remains, due to the high rpm flow restriction of the stock intake manifold.
Power Pack 3
At first glance, the PP3 is virtually identical to the stock curve up to 4,000rpm where the PP3 starts to notice a significant gain before annihilating the stock curve above 5,750rpm. PP3 results in a 37.3whp and 6.83lb-ft of torque increase over stock, which is right on Ford’s HP claims while being close to 2lb-ft of torque more with a redline of 7,450rpm.
A common internet misconception is that adding the GT350 Intake Manifold to a stock 5.0L Coyote will make it have WORSE low-end torque than the stock. The dyno above shows this to be false. From idle to 3,300rpm, Power Pack 3 actually makes more torque than stock with a maximum increase of 11.78lb-ft at 2,700rpm. There is a 6lb-ft loss between 3,300-4,000rpm but above that, the PP3 blows the stock car out of the water.
It’s interesting to see the GT350 manifold’s shorter runners shifted the HP peak from 6,500rpm to 7,150rpm while the torque peak had an even greater shift from 3,900rpm to 5,000rpm. The general trend is a flatter torque curve due to the increased bottom-end, flattened out mid-range, and a greatly improved top-end.
Conclusion
Power Pack 2 offers huge value and would be great for a daily driver meanwhile Power Pack 3 offers objectively better performance and acceleration for reduced lap times on track, while completely transforming the engine which now screams to redline like a high revving BOSS 302, GT350, or M3.
We learned that the GT350 intake manifold does not make less torque than stock, but it does sacrifice some midrange torque (compared to the stock manifold with a tune) for a higher redline, more power, and more area under the curve to deliver better acceleration. We also learned that everything from stock through PP3 will benefit from a higher redline.
I was able to get my PP2 for $628 shipped for an online dealer. I paid $220 for Dallas Mustang to install so I could keep my factory warranty. In my eyes it was a bargain.
With all of the said, if I had a '15 that was likely close to out of warranty anyway, I'd potentially look at a different tuner, because your gains will be similar/better for likely less money. The benefit to Ford Performance is a less aggressive tune while keeping your factory warranty.
Last edited by JeffreyDJ; 11/16/17 at 01:14 PM.
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11/20/17 | 10:42 AM
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JefferyDJ, Thank you for all that info. As far as the PP2, that was a great price you got there.. As far I have seen the best is about $800-$850.. and that doesn't include any kind of installation. And it does seem like that would be a god start for me as well. I just got me a set of 20" Rims and Summer Perrili's and just put on a set of Steeda Jacking rails. So I am starting out slow. But hopefully will get where I want one day. LOL...
I do thank you though for the info.
I do thank you though for the info.
11/24/17 | 09:54 PM
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It's online ordering. Try:
1. https://www.levittownfordparts.com/f...ck-p-5001.html
or
2. https://parts.autonationfordwhitebea...8a?parent=1110
Check shipping, because it varies. Levittown was actually cheaper for me, despite the higher "base" cost.
As far as installation, you'll be on your own to find someone locally to install if you're trying to maintain your warranty. It has to be an ASE Certified tech, or a Ford Dealer that does the install for that.
If you're not worried about retaining your warranty, the install itself should be pretty straightforward.
1. https://www.levittownfordparts.com/f...ck-p-5001.html
or
2. https://parts.autonationfordwhitebea...8a?parent=1110
Check shipping, because it varies. Levittown was actually cheaper for me, despite the higher "base" cost.
As far as installation, you'll be on your own to find someone locally to install if you're trying to maintain your warranty. It has to be an ASE Certified tech, or a Ford Dealer that does the install for that.
If you're not worried about retaining your warranty, the install itself should be pretty straightforward.
11/27/17 | 09:52 AM
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JeffreyDJ .. Thank you for the Info and URL's... both places seem to be good.. and then prices are better than what I have seen else where.
I have been thinking for now to do the FPP2, initially... but also looking at the Varex XForce Exhaust system ( headers and all ) that's gonna be a bit later..
I have been thinking for now to do the FPP2, initially... but also looking at the Varex XForce Exhaust system ( headers and all ) that's gonna be a bit later..