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TracKey Has Arrived - Ford’s Email to All Ford and Lincoln Dealers

Old Oct 22, 2011 | 06:42 AM
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There is a lot of legal mumbo jumbo to wade through but it seems to say the full warranty is in effect for parts not affected by the tune OR failures not related to the tune. So if your oil pump fails, thus cooking your engine, then the 5 year powertrain warranty is still in effect.

I'll be ordering TracKey next week.
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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Whammer
There is a lot of legal mumbo jumbo to wade through but it seems to say the full warranty is in effect for parts not affected by the tune OR failures not related to the tune. So if your oil pump fails, thus cooking your engine, then the 5 year powertrain warranty is still in effect.

I'll be ordering TracKey next week.
Yes, I agree with this that some parts will be covered beyond the 3 years. I also believe these statements by Ford give them a lot more room to wiggle and shake about covering a real defect in workmanship. I have worked with a different car company on a true Lemon. Man they just put you through the wringer. I wouldn't necessarily want to go through a hassle on a warranted item and hear, by gods you went out on a track, installed TracKey and see ya

That being said, I didn't buy this car for the TracKey, I saw it as part of my original deal to enhance performance for tracking and that if I tracked the car, I would be covered under my original warranty and Ford was going to stand by this product as a Track capable car with some racing parts.

That being said, why I really bought the car is because I love the Boss styling and new technology and I want to have FUN in my car. So i may assume more risk and have More fun with TracKey! Still considering.
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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 07:54 AM
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As in many warranty claims it helps to have a good relationship with the dealer, having one will mean they will fight harder to get Ford to cover your claim.
I'm really not too concerned about Ford's "disclaimer".
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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2
I'll say. Bought car for Trackey. Held off on storage for Trackey. Now Trackey can't be part of original purchase. My dealer said he would include it. And my warranty is limited?!?! I already have 20,000 KMs on this car. Not feeling good about the whole experience at this moment.
Trackey not being part of the original purchase just means that it is an aftermarket part that Ford doesn't sell you directly. If you and your dealer worked that into your agreement, I'm sure that will be fine
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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 10:27 AM
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Do the "M". Button or Sport setting on other cars alter warranties?
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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2
Do the "M". Button or Sport setting on other cars alter warranties?

Not usually, but that is an original manufacture's setting/program. TracKey is an aftermarket part that can't even be installed before the car is sold to someone.

Back to "not usually", Nissan was denying coverage on the $20K transmission in the first year GT-R when they blew up using the Launch Control, even though the mind blowing 0-60 times they advertised were achieved by using it. They changed the programming in it the second year after the fit hit the shan on the internet about it.
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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Whammer
There is a lot of legal mumbo jumbo to wade through but it seems to say the full warranty is in effect for parts not affected by the tune OR failures not related to the tune. So if your oil pump fails, thus cooking your engine, then the 5 year powertrain warranty is still in effect.

I'll be ordering TracKey next week.
This is true but I feel like some of the dealerships will attempt to claim that due to your excessive abuse with the tracKey the part failed....I'm not saying that the tracKey is bad or anything just that dealerships will run into complications with it I'm sure...
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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 02:13 PM
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I have just sent an e-mail reply to my dealer asking about the language having to do with the warranty and how this relates to those of us who have an extended warranty. I am waiting for a response. The way I see it it this gives Ford an out on some but not all warranty issues. Of course the ones that it does give them the out on are all the most expensive items.
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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Whammer
As in many warranty claims it helps to have a good relationship with the dealer, having one will mean they will fight harder to get Ford to cover your claim.
I'm really not too concerned about Ford's "disclaimer".
Do you realy believe your statement good relationship with the dealer, having one will mean they will fight harder to get Ford to cover your claim. You can think what you want. Have you ever had to go up against a major manufacture such as FORD to fight a warranty issuie. I hope you have plenty of money for lawyer fees. They will tie you up for as long as it takes untill you take what ever they offer you. I have been down that road before. NOT WORTH IT!!
Do you think any dealers are now fighting Ford on our behalf saying that it's wrong to change our warranties if we install the TK. Good luck on wishfull thinking.
Wait till your warranty runs out then go and get all the mods and tunes to turn your Boss into what you really want. I'm saving my $302.00 + labor for that hood and LS splitter that I like. O-and not void my power train warranty. When the warranty runs out the body mods will be done and then we can start the engine mods. Most important...not worry about voiding a power train warranty. All I can say: Is $302 + Labor $100 is not worth A loppy idle/engine breaking/throdel response and launch control with ZERO horsepower gain and loss of 2 years and 24,000 mile power train coverage. It's not for me. The Boss is fast Enough for me at present. All it needs is ones personal Body Mods. (if they choose) If I chosse to void my warranty it will have a real Loppy idle with the horse power to BACK it UP! The real sad part to this ordeal is: if FORD had its chit together with the TK from the start. I would have purchased it the day I took ownership. Ford handled it wrong with the BOSS owners. They knew CARBS requirements keeping us in the dark. Just remeber, you paid Ford for your Boss. Mistakes at this price range is unacceptable. Changing the wannanty rules is just iceing on the cake!

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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 04:17 PM
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Yes I stand by my statement. I've had no trouble with warranty issues at the dealership I go to. Obviously if there are clear signs of abuse then they probably aren't going to help you out much. It helps to make friends with the SVT mechanic.

I know of one instance where the SVT mechanic covered for a customer who blew the engine in his GT500- didn't run 91. It's a 25k engine here in Canada and Ford wasn't too happy about replacing it but they did.

Also- the way I read the warranty info......5/100k is still in effect on the powertrain. Only if the issue is deemed to be related to the use of TK is the warranty 3/36k.

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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by boss man

Do you realy believe your statement good relationship with the dealer, having one will mean they will fight harder to get Ford to cover your claim. You can think what you want. Have you ever had to go up against a major manufacture such as FORD to fight a warranty issuie. I hope you have plenty of money for lawyer fees. They will tie you up for as long as it takes untill you take what ever they offer you. I have been down that road before. NOT WORTH IT!!
Do you think any dealers are now fighting Ford on our behalf saying that it's wrong to change our warranties if we install the TK. Good luck on wishfull thinking.
Wait till your warranty runs out then go and get all the mods and tunes to turn your Boss into what you really want. I'm saving my $302.00 + labor for that hood and LS splitter that I like. O-and not void my power train warranty. When the warranty runs out the body mods will be done and then we can start the engine mods. Most important...not worry about voiding a power train warranty. All I can say: Is $302 + Labor $100 is not worth A loppy idle/engine breaking/throdel response and launch control with ZERO horsepower gain and loss of 2 years and 24,000 mile power train coverage. It's not for me. The Boss is fast Enough for me at present. All it needs is ones personal Body Mods. (if they choose) If I chosse to void my warranty it will have a real Loppy idle with the horse power to BACK it UP! The real sad part to this ordeal is: if FORD had its chit together with the TK from the start. I would have purchased it the day I took ownership. Ford handled it wrong with the BOSS owners. They knew CARBS requirements keeping us in the dark. Just remeber, you paid Ford for your Boss. Mistakes at this price range is unacceptable. Changing the wannanty rules is just iceing on the cake!
+1 totally agree. I had an issue with GM. My pontiac G8's airbags deployed after hitting a speed bump at less than 10 mph. There was no physical damage to the car. It took them 6 months to approve the claim and I opted to pay it in advance & wait for reimbursement. Still took over 4 months just to get the airbags. Killed all GM's vehicles for me.
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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 04:51 PM
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TracKey is finally here! I will have my dealer order a week from Monday, install Tuesday, and weather permitting have it on a dyno by the end of the week. This is great news so lighten up guys. I'm thinking of the segment from the ESPN guys reading about all this concern...."C'mon Man!"
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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by cloud9
TracKey is finally here! I will have my dealer order a week from Monday, install Tuesday, and weather permitting have it on a dyno by the end of the week. This is great news so lighten up guys. I'm thinking of the segment from the ESPN guys reading about all this concern...."C'mon Man!"
Thanks Gary. Looking forward to your comments as pretty sure you have more track time in the Boss than anyone. Going for my 2nd track session next Sunday. Long way to go before TK makes a difference for me.
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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by cloud9
TracKey is finally here! I will have my dealer order a week from Monday, install Tuesday, and weather permitting have it on a dyno by the end of the week. This is great news so lighten up guys. I'm thinking of the segment from the ESPN guys reading about all this concern...."C'mon Man!"
Gary,
Are you going to dyno it just before taking it in, so you can get a fairly accurate before/after?
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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 08:38 PM
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Gary,
Are you going to dyno it just before taking it in, so you can get a fairly accurate before/after?
I am going to have pulls done on each tune the same day. Also may try some race gas after the initial pulls.
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Old Oct 23, 2011 | 04:02 AM
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TracKey on race gas vs. pump gas would be just as interesting to see as TracKey vs. black key IMHO.
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Old Oct 23, 2011 | 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Dig-It Racing
TracKey on race gas vs. pump gas would be just as interesting to see as TracKey vs. black key IMHO.
Just curious if you have any first hand knowledge on which to base that opinion or just speculation? The reason I am considering trying it is based on a conversation another member on this board had with one of the programming engineers. He told him it will advance timing up to 100 octane. I have no reason to doubt that statement by the engineer, it's just that it becomes one more question about TK performance that has yet to be confirmed officially by Ford.
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Old Oct 23, 2011 | 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by cloud9

Just curious if you have any first hand knowledge on which to base that opinion or just speculation? The reason I am considering trying it is based on a conversation another member on this board had with one of the programming engineers. He told him it will advance timing up to 100 octane. I have no reason to doubt that statement by the engineer, it's just that it becomes one more question about TK performance that has yet to be confirmed officially by Ford.
Does the ECM record what octane is used? I would doubt it, but if so any speculation on how running race gas might affect the warranty?
(He asks as another can of worms spills on the floor)
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Old Oct 23, 2011 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by phiggs54
Does the ECM record what octane is used? I would doubt it, but if so any speculation on how running race gas might affect the warranty?
(He asks as another can of worms spills on the floor)
Our engines have knock sensors. The PCM will retard spark timing if it detects detonation.
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Old Oct 23, 2011 | 08:42 AM
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The 91 octane minimum requirement in TK is also an indication that the tune is more aggressive than the black key, and may imply higher octane fuel will improve output.

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