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Old Jul 8, 2011 | 10:27 AM
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Not sure if this has been mentioned, but the Vorshlag plates must be removed in order to change camber/caster. MM only requires loosening the 5 nuts and relieving the strut load.

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Well that certainly seems easier.
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Old Jul 8, 2011 | 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by iDrive
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but the Vorshlag plates must be removed in order to change camber/caster.
On the Vorshlag plates, you loosen the top four bolts (metric) and slide the plate in or out with the front corner jacked up in order to adjust camber. Jacking up the front corner unloads the strut and makes it easier to slide (just like MM).

Caster adjustments are done at install as they are not usually (ever in my experience) something you adjust at the track. Dropping the strut down will be required for this. MM will allow you to adjust caster from the top.

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Old Jul 8, 2011 | 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by iDrive
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but the Vorshlag plates must be removed in order to change camber/caster. MM only requires loosening the 5 nuts and relieving the strut load.

Dave
Strano was saying this as well...

Must mean just the caster then.

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Old Jul 8, 2011 | 02:10 PM
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I've run both. I have Voshlag plates on my car right now.... There are pro's and con's to them as well as the MM's (and every other one). Camber is not easily adjustable, but they use a bigger bearing. That said, they aren't stone quiet---but no camber plate is, and I don't much care considering I also have a watts link with 4 rod-ends.

My car is about winning stuff, which it has done in both Stock and Street Prepared. And I plan on doing the same come the ProSolo Finale next month. Either way I'm in a Corvette for Nationals. Just kicking that out in case someone wonders why the switch, I committed to that ride in Super Stock early this year for Tours/Nationals.
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Old Jul 8, 2011 | 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by JScheier
On the Vorshlag plates, you loosen the top four bolts (metric) and slide the plate in or out with the front corner jacked up in order to adjust camber. Jacking up the front corner unloads the strut and makes it easier to slide (just like MM).

Caster adjustments are done at install as they are not usually (ever in my experience) something you adjust at the track. Dropping the strut down will be required for this. MM will allow you to adjust caster from the top.

Vorshlag Link

Maximum Motorsports Link
No, you must loosen the 4 allen head bolts holding the bearing in place to change camber. It is independent of the plate that holds the assembly to the body. Unfortunately, any amount of negative camber puts the allen head bolts too far inward and not accessible from the top. You must remove or lower the assembly enough to reach the allen head bolts. Pics clearly show in your link. Sam Strano has them on his Mustang. However, the Vorshlag does allow more negative camber than the MM's.

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Old Jul 10, 2011 | 12:25 PM
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Yup. Sorry. Spoke with Terry and ya'll are right. There wasn't enough room in the strut tower to make the plates like the BMW plates My bad.

On a good front... he does have photos of the D-Force 18x10 posted:

D-Force 18x10 in S197 fitment
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Old Jul 15, 2011 | 12:30 AM
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For the track, I was thinking about getting a GT500 18x9.5 wheel/tire package with a staggered setup for tires (Nitto 555 255/45 front, 285/40 rear).

http://www.cjponyparts.com/ford-raci...5-2011/p/W187/

Anybody have experience with these tires? Will these work well for HPDE sessions?
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Old Jul 15, 2011 | 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by SoCalBoss
For the track, I was thinking about getting a GT500 18x9.5 wheel/tire package with a staggered setup for tires (Nitto 555 255/45 front, 285/40 rear).

http://www.cjponyparts.com/ford-raci...5-2011/p/W187/

Anybody have experience with these tires? Will these work well for HPDE sessions?
They'll be fine. The dry grip is good (not great), but the noise and slip they make is very progressive and that's fantastic to learn on.

Longevity should be ok, and its great to progress from those to the NT05 to the NT01 as you move up (should you want to try the tires, each one is a step up from the previous in terms of grip, gives a great idea of how to drive each tire type).
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Old Jul 15, 2011 | 06:45 AM
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TOTAL NEWBIE dumb question time...with my LIMITED computer skills I did a little research on the Nitto site and they list the NT tires as Drag Radials...Is there a different tire y'all are referring to or are these good for track days and road course applications as well? Sorry to sound so ignorant..but I guess I am and my lack of knowledge on THIS type of racing/driving shows!
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Old Jul 15, 2011 | 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by ulev1st
TOTAL NEWBIE dumb question time...with my LIMITED computer skills I did a little research on the Nitto site and they list the NT tires as Drag Radials...
Nitto offers several 555s:

Nitto 555R Drag Radial
Nitto 555R II Drag Radial
Nitto 555 Extreme Performance

They also have two NT05 offerings:

NT05 Extreme Summer Performance
NT05 Drag Radial

Discount Tire Nitto Link

Most of the track guys are talking about the Nitto 555 Extreme Performance or NT05 Extreme Summer Performance.
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Old Jul 15, 2011 | 07:25 AM
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I love my NT-05s! well...whats left of them, lol. definitely not a longevity tire. about 2k DD miles and 4 track days, 2 autocrosses, theres hardly anything left of them.
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Old Jul 16, 2011 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by SoCalBoss
For the track, I was thinking about getting a GT500 18x9.5 wheel/tire package with a staggered setup for tires (Nitto 555 255/45 front, 285/40 rear).

http://www.cjponyparts.com/ford-raci...5-2011/p/W187/

Anybody have experience with these tires? Will these work well for HPDE sessions?
Anybody else have experience with Nitto 555s?

Also, how does a staggered setup help on the track?
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Old Jul 16, 2011 | 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by SoCalBoss
Also, how does a staggered setup help on the track?
It's what the stock suspension is setup for.
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Old Jul 16, 2011 | 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by SoCalBoss
Anybody else have experience with Nitto 555s?

Also, how does a staggered setup help on the track?
555s are street tires...they will not have as much grip as the stock Pirellis, IMO.

Try the NT05 if you want a dual purpose street/track tire, or the NT01 if you want a track-only tire that will last a few track events.
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Old Jul 16, 2011 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by 06GT

555s are street tires...they will not have as much grip as the stock Pirellis, IMO.

Try the NT05 if you want a dual purpose street/track tire, or the NT01 if you want a track-only tire that will last a few track events.
I'd say the same, there's little point in going that route. If you are getting track 18"s anyway, slap on some NT05's, it's a good tire. For a first track day, it's perfectly fine - advisable even- to give the stockers a run. The PZero is actually a decent all-around tire, and you'll want a baseline in any case while you learn what you like and don't like in a tire.
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Old Jul 16, 2011 | 11:22 AM
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Agreed...if you're new to track events, don't bother with getting different tires. You won't be going fast enough for it to matter anyways.
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Old Jul 16, 2011 | 12:55 PM
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Agreed...if you're new to track events, don't bother with getting different tires. You won't be going fast enough for it to matter anyways.
I've had 5 track events in over the past 6 years, but those were all with my WRXs with stock summer street tires and this will be my first time in a RWD car with 200 more HP. I want to get a different set of wheels/tires since I'm planning on doing more track days. Since tires are consumable, I want to get 18"s for more tire choices. Plus, I need to be able to drive 100+ miles to the track on these tires because I don't have a truck to tow the car.

So, maybe the better way to go would be to get NT05s in 275/40 on 18x9 for the front and 295/35 on 18x10 for the rear.

Thanks for all the tips!

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Old Jul 16, 2011 | 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by SoCalBoss
Also, how does a staggered setup help on the track?
IMO the car is very neutral with a staggered setup of 1" to 1.5" front to rear. If you square up the tires, you're inducing even more oversteer. i.e. the back end is going to want to be your front end when turning. With a staggered setup I can induce all the oversteer I want just with turn-in and throttle steer at will. If you're new to tracking and particularly a high HP rear wheel drive car with a solid rear axle, you'll want to avoid a square setup unless you want to look like a Sit-N-Spin out there
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Old Jul 16, 2011 | 02:55 PM
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Agree. This car will NOT respond well to a square set-up.
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Old Jul 17, 2011 | 07:04 PM
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Agree. This car will NOT respond well to a square set-up.
Deleted, not worth the debate....

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