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Old Jan 21, 2012 | 07:11 AM
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Enkei PF01s in Matte Black

Just got some more boxes yesterday. My second set of Enkei PF01s in 18 x 9.5 and 18 x 10.5. They now have the rears in matte black so no painting required My other set was painted gloss black, so I'm anxious to see what these will look like with new shoes and mounted on the car. Unfortunately we just got 6" of snow so I'll be waiting a while.
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Old Jan 21, 2012 | 07:20 AM
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Nice, I was wondering why they didn't offer the wider ones with the choice of black.
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Old Jan 21, 2012 | 07:48 AM
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From who and how much if you don't mind. They look great and save what 5 lbs a corner? Maybe a group buy?
Steve
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Old Jan 21, 2012 | 08:16 AM
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They look great. I would be interested in the group buy if it is possible. Also, what is the offset?
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Old Jan 21, 2012 | 08:24 AM
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What tires will you be running?
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Old Jan 21, 2012 | 09:08 AM
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wow, gorgeous. subscribed for pics!
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Old Jan 21, 2012 | 09:29 AM
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In for offsets and tire sizes as well.
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Old Jan 21, 2012 | 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by steveespo
Gary
From who and how much if you don't mind. They look great and save what 5 lbs a corner? Maybe a group buy?
Steve
Got them through my dealer's account as a favor . They sell for around $380 each plus UPS. Sam Strano carries these so maybe you guys could hit him up for a group buy.

Actually they save 11 lbs per corner over the factory LS wheels! They weigh in at 20 and 21 lbs respectively.

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They look great. I would be interested in the group buy if it is possible. Also, what is the offset?
18 x 9.5 35mm offset and 18 x 10.5 38mm offset


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What tires will you be running?
Last year I ran Nitto 555RII 305/35/18 rears and 285/35/18 fronts on my other set. On this set I'm going to run the following:

Hoosier R6 295/30/18 & 275/35/18
Toyo R888 305/35/18 & 275/35/18

Depending on results for both lap times and durability, I'll choose one or the other. Last year the 555RIIs were relatively cheap and I was getting a set for just over $1000 shipped. The R888s were up in the R6 range around $1500. Now it looks like the 555RIIs have gone up and the R888s have gone down so I'll probably try them first.

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wow, gorgeous. subscribed for pics!
Thanks. Here's what they look like in gloss black:


By cloud91965 at 2011-04-30

And silver:


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Old Jan 21, 2012 | 09:50 AM
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Gary,

Have you ran these Enkeis compared to any other wheels on track, and can you tell a difference in the unspring weight on each corner?

On my V I picked up a set of 2 piece rotors that were about 5lbs lighter than the OEM rotors, and could not tell one ounce of difference compared to the OEM rotors in terms of unspring weight.

I'm just curious if that weight savings can really be felt by the seat-of-the-pants.
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Old Jan 21, 2012 | 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by smbstyle
Gary,

Have you ran these Enkeis compared to any other wheels on track, and can you tell a difference in the unspring weight on each corner?

On my V I picked up a set of 2 piece rotors that were about 5lbs lighter than the OEM rotors, and could not tell one ounce of difference compared to the OEM rotors in terms of unspring weight.

I'm just curious if that weight savings can really be felt by the seat-of-the-pants.
I ran the 302S wheels (Laguna Seca wheels with machined face) last year along with the Enkeis. I ran R6s on the 302S wheels and Nitto 555RII on the Enkeis. They were about dead even in terms of lap times but the Enkeis "felt" better, probably somewhat due to the wider track, but also "felt" better in the braking zones. The Hoosiers "should" have been 2 seconds faster. On a 3600 lb car, it's hard to say precisely how much is attributed to the wheels alone since I also have 2-piece rotors that are 8 lbs less per side and r-comp tires that weigh less than the street tires. All totaled, that's almost 100 lbs of rotating mass off the car and that IS significant.
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Old Jan 21, 2012 | 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by cloud9
I ran the 302S wheels (Laguna Seca wheels with machined face) last year along with the Enkeis. I ran R6s on the 302S wheels and Nitto 555RII on the Enkeis. They were about dead even in terms of lap times but the Enkeis "felt" better, probably somewhat due to the wider track, but also "felt" better in the braking zones. The Hoosiers "should" have been 2 seconds faster. On a 3600 lb car, it's hard to say precisely how much is attributed to the wheels alone since I also have 2-piece rotors that are 8 lbs less per side and r-comp tires that weigh less than the street tires. All totaled, that's almost 100 lbs of rotating mass off the car and that IS significant.
good point, I'm sure all parts together make a noticeable difference.
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Old Jan 21, 2012 | 11:18 AM
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Nice! Can't wait to see them on!
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Old Jan 21, 2012 | 12:04 PM
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There was an article by grassroots motorsports on light weight wheels and track times. They chose the lightest vs the heaviest on a miata with a 12lb difference per corner. Surprisingly the heavier wheels had a better track time consistently. Although minute it was very counter intuitive. His was actually their second test and the results were nearly the same.

So clouds findings are pretty parallel with the mag test. The feel of the car felt lighter and more predictable but the lap times were nearly unaffected. Mind blowing to me....

On my last car I had 18lb wheels vs 31lb wheels with the same offset width and tires in the same 19". My quarter mile times remained the same but my trap was consistently 1mph faster with the heavier wheel, most likely bc of the stored up kinetic energy. But the the car felt like i had lost an equivalent to a passenger in the car. It felt so much more nimble and toss able but drifts were harder to control with the lighter wheels as well
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Old Jan 21, 2012 | 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by smbstyle
Gary,

Have you ran these Enkeis compared to any other wheels on track, and can you tell a difference in the unspring weight on each corner?

On my V I picked up a set of 2 piece rotors that were about 5lbs lighter than the OEM rotors, and could not tell one ounce of difference compared to the OEM rotors in terms of unspring weight.

I'm just curious if that weight savings can really be felt by the seat-of-the-pants.
I've never seen any evidence of an advantage of reducing unsprung weight. A whole lot of talk but never a single instance of documented proof. I really want to see that grass roots motor sports article. If it's faster with heavier wheels that would be very strange.
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Old Jan 21, 2012 | 02:46 PM
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I've never seen any evidence of an advantage of reducing unsprung weight. A whole lot of talk but never a single instance of documented proof. I really want to see that grass roots motor sports article. If it's faster with heavier wheels that would be very strange.
It defies logic. Lighter is faster no matter whether it's sprung or not. Why else would classing rules have power to weight ratios? Why would race teams strive to reduce every ounce, let alone pound, if relatively speaking lighter cars weren't faster?
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Old Jan 21, 2012 | 06:06 PM
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Wish they came in white.
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Old Jan 21, 2012 | 06:26 PM
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To me ..... not tracking yet but, a 30 year aircraft mechanic....the biggest difference in unsprung weight reduction will be noticed in brake pad wear / shock and suspension components....much less pounding going on ..... much less inertia force to slow down....your brakes dont have to work quite as hard...meaning longer longevity....cooler temps for the same amount of work...lighter has got to be better,..... maybe not in lap times but on your equipment.

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Old Jan 21, 2012 | 06:29 PM
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Wish they came in white.
Very easily powder coated to any color you want.
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Old Jan 21, 2012 | 08:12 PM
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I was wondering if there were any issues with the ABS going with the 18" wheels. Is the overall wheel height lower on the 18's? Also, are those 302s wheels much lighter than the standard boss wheels? Thanks.
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Originally Posted by cf6mech

Very easily powder coated to any color you want.
Where?
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