Little confused on selecting the right tire and wheel package for my 012 LS....definately do not want to degrade what I already have.Want to take off the red stock LS wheels and tires for safe keeping/possible track day applications .... and have a street tire everyday tire and wheel.....it seems alot of places....Late model resto....Wheel Fire....American Muscle...etc. sell square and not staggered wheel setups....are we talking more or less oversteer....how is this going to change handing if I dont maintain what Ford engineers designed into the car?.....not into the drifting scene and prefer stick.....thanks.

 

I agree with your concern, a lot of engineering time and cost went into the decision on the tire/wheel set up on the Boss. I too am going to buy some rims, same size as whats on the cat along with these tires http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....oModel=Mustang
I want the tires for any day driving!

 

I see that's your first post - welcome to TMS!

If you like the 19" and 9"/10" staggered, I'd suggest 302S wheels. They look like your LS wheels, but with black paint instead of red. Late Model Restoration sells them.

I'm still on my stock tires, but will buy dedicated 18" track wheels.

For 19" street tires, I'd suggest looking into Yokohama ADVON AD08 tires. They are available in stock size. Tire Rack lists a couple more stock size options.

 

I agree about the 302S wheels. While the AD08's are one of the best options I don't think them come in stock sizes. They are lower profile and are 1" lower than stock. That's probably fine for the track but might not be optimal for the street. Other options in stock sizes are:

Hankook V12

Continental Extreme DW, probably good if you drive in the rain a lot

Bridgestone S-04

Toyo Proxes 1

 

My bad. Good catch Rick. I was thinking the V12's but didn't take the time to chase thru Tire Rack's site to confirm
Thanks for posting correct data.

 

Good choice. Coincidentally, those are the tires I put on my Boss 302S rims last week. This will be my winter wheel combo for my DD Boss.

 

Still in the dark.....are you guys running staggered?......and why are the tire packages like at Resto Mods being offered in non staggered?.....besides the obvious reasons of rotatation, will it degrade cornering....what rim sizes you guys going with and rim width?....what will a square set do in the corners?......a lot of over steer?

 

i was shopping for tires and talked to a bridgestone engineer. i wanted to run the Re-11, but they lack the correct size fronts. the engineer told me even going to a wider and lower tire in the front could greatly change handling, he wasn't specific in understeer of oversteer. that said, there are several guys here that run square. I opted for the Bridgestone S-04s in factory sizes. The are great tires so far. very responsive, three huge rain channels and they do very well in the rain. it poured on me a few days back and they were great. the stock pirellies would pucker your sphincter regularly in the rain.

I haven't had the s-04s on the track yet, but i will in a couple weeks, i am going to ECR on the 14th to give them a workout. biggest downside to the S-04's is that they are expensive. a set was $1450. for no track duty i'd just go with stock size hankoon ventus evo v12s if it were me. I'd also roll on the stock wheels with those tires and get track wheels that are lighter. cloud 9 has a set of very lightweight enki 18s that will fit these cars. The tsw nurburgring will fit in 18 too if you get the right offset. all indications are that the factory LS tires are not that great on or off the track.

 

cf6mech,
On the track, there's a mix of square and staggered. 2012yellowboss and cloud9 run staggered. Cloud9 runs Enkei 18x9.5 front, 18x10.5 rear with 285/35 and 305/35 tires.
I'm going square this summer with 18x9.5.
JScheier who has several years of track experience in other cars runs square. He posted he's got D-Force 18x10 on order.
If you go square, you need to change a sway bar to prevent oversteer. Either soften the rear or stiffen the front. JScheier used a Strano front and now has it on the stiffest setting. I'll do the same.
I've only got 8 track days under my belt, so I'm not a handling expert, but I'm sure with a proper sway bar setup, square or staggered can perform well at the track. And as JScheier said, the race teams use square--but rules may dictate that too. I want to maximize tire use, so square it is.

 

Thanks Wayne !
So anything other than the stock staggered setup is going to require after market tunable suspension components......Im just getting started in this and want to eventually track this car....Im finding out there is three Boss enthusiasts and there aftermarket providers.....the drag race guys and the go fast in a straight line products are easier to pick out.....but the drifter products and track products are a little harder for this newcomer.

 

If you are just getting started, run the OEM set for tires and wheels. It is much more important to add brake cooling ducts, race pads/fluid before tracking next I would add MM camber plates to save front tires and add front grip.

Peter

 

cf6mech,
Since you're just getting started, keep it simple. The Boss out-drives us beginners.
So I agree w/ Peter's last post here.
For first track day:
- High quality DOT4 brake fluid - ATE Super Blue is very popular here
- Transmission cooler
- If you want, upgraded brake pads - Hawk HP+ front, HPS rear will get you thru your initial track days. But even the stock ones will work your first day.

Once you're hooked on the sport, and know you'll do it several times a year, then add pretty much in this order:
- brake cooling kit
- track pads
- camber plates (Maximum Motorsports at $335 or Vorshlag at $440 are popular) -- In 3 days with MM plates at -2.4 camber I've almost wore out the outer edge of my front tires. It would be worse w/out the added camber. I paid the dealer to install them--I'm not that adventurous. Have them align the front too after the install.
- dedicated track wheels (FRPP GT500 heavy/cheap, Enkei and D-Force light and more $$$)
- hood, oil cooler, drive shaft, trailer, new tow vehicle, new garage for the new toys . . .TracKey some where in there . . .

First, go easy on mods. Then decide how addicted you are. If you track a couple weekends a year, you don't need much more than the tranny cooler, DOT4, and HP+/HPS pads. The more times you go, the better you'll get, and drive harder as a result--so you'll want more mods. Carbotech XP10 and XP8 pads are another good choice, which I'm using. Manufacturers recommend higher performance pads up front--they do most of the stopping, so operate at a higher temp--need pads that can take that heat.

If a BMW Car Club of America does a track training day in your area, look into that--they generally allow all cars to get the numbers needed to break even. They have a good instructor program to train their classroom and driving instructors, so you'll learn a lot in 2 days. I did one last year, and plan to hit 2 this summer.

Sorry for the book, but this may clarify some of the things you've read on other posts here.

 

Thanks Wayne....and all......this is something I have wanted to do for years....back when the Autocross craze started....... at that time I lacked the resources and time. But now with some inheiritance cash and more time its a go.

 

First you should invest that inheritance cash........ Use disposably income for pleasure things. I don't listen to smarter people either so........

Second if you are just getting into this do some searching. There are a couple threads out there that address what to do to the car for tracking, ecspecially for newbies. I wouldn't be worried about wheels right now. There is a decent selection of tires that you can put on your stock rims. However if you don't want to run the wheels due to keeping them for future value or whatever, follow what Cloud9 uses.

Also follow everything that is said in the Boss supplement and you will be good to go. Once you get into it look for some wheels. I run and will continue to run a staggard setup for the track. I just use bigger tires for both the front and rears. I am looking for wheels now and will probably go with what cloud9 runs.

 

Thank you, SD GT, for the clear and succinct info. Does one need a spacer for the 18 x 9.5 wheels, and is there an issue with Brembos for clearance?

 

Further,
Here's a link to a good price on FRPP GT500 wheels, 18x9.5 45mm offset
http://www.trueblueracingparts.com/0...EEL_p_111.html
Ask for Dave, in Parts. I bet he'll sell them for less than the web price.
They clear Brembo, since they are from the GT500's. No spacer needed.

Other Brembo choices
- Enkei PF01 18x9.5 in either 45mm or 35 mm offset, available from Strano Performance Parts
- D-Force 18x10, plenty of Brembo clearance. These are new, and may not be in stock yet. Pre-order started last month. http://www.vorshlag.com/forums/showt...6908#post56908
Here's a thread started by JScheier, who has several years of track experience, and has a set on order:
https://themustangsource.com/f813/st...-force-502882/
- 2012yellowboss has a couple sets of wheels from one of the Mustang vendors, and certain styles clear Brembo. I think these are one set he's got--call to confirm they clear Brembo - http://www.latemodelrestoration.com/...ary-Wheel-18X9

Enkei and D-Force are light, but cost more. FRPP and aftermarkets are heavy, but more reasonable priced.

Lots of choices. There's most likely more, but these come up frequently in posts.

 

Yes talk with Dave at TrueBlue. I ordered a front set of the 9.5 a few months ago to fit the 275/40/18's better. There were 150 each shipped. I just ordered a second set and the price was $160 each shipped, they ended up charging me tax and someone there told me that is standard practice? I sent an email and Dave called back saying he would fix that.

I am using these front Shelby's with a matching set of knock off 10 inch rims from CrusinConcepts for the rears. The 18x9 from Crusin will also fit the Brembos. I also have a set in 18x9 and 18x10 SVE style from LMR and the 18x9 fits the Brembos. I like having the 9.5 up front better but still run the LMR wheels because I think they are made better then the ones offered from CrusinConcepts (MO only).

Another possibility of getting the 18x9.5 and 18x10 is the FR500 style wheels. The real 9.5 and knock off 10, I have not checked to see if the real 9.5 works yet with the Brembo package.

Shelby wheels original and painted black



LMR wheels same