2012-2013 BOSS 302

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Old Sep 13, 2010 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Whammer
The numbers are pretty close to what I said they would be (what the Bullitt numbers were) and they learned from marketing the Bullitt. Originally the Bullitt was a 1 year run of 7700. They didn't sell them all in 08 and the production carried over into 09.
So with the Boss they have split the production over 2 years and thus also mimicked '69 and '70 Boss production.

They won't continue to make it after it's 2 year run, if they did the car would lose it's uniqueness. But don't worry, Ford will come out with another mustang edition that will have people beating down the dealer's doors to get at it.
hum i think you are spot on with the 2 years like the 69&70.. but what model will ford come out with next? they did cobra,bullitt,mach1,the boss run will be over.. i'm shure they won't do a boss 429 but a 351? the cobra jet is a drag car-from what i seen--.. hum you got me thinking now... not the rio grande! lol
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Old Sep 13, 2010 | 06:54 PM
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i will have to really learn the history of mustangs somewhere... i liked them a lot from 67to 70 and 99 to 04 and now 10-to??.
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Old Sep 13, 2010 | 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Whammer
ADM's don't seem to be as common in Canada as they are in the US. My dealer has told me no ADM, I'll get it for MSRP. I'm pretty sure one of my local dealers will tack something on, but I would never deal with them anyway.

They also can't go too high because then you're into GT500 money so you may as well buy the Shelby if they're priced that high.
They were for the 2007 Shelby's and the 2008 Challenger SRT8. To some people the 302 may be worth the same as a Shelby MSRP here will likely be close to $50K (guessing)

Only time will tell
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Old Sep 13, 2010 | 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by R3troGT
They were for the 2007 Shelby's and the 2008 Challenger SRT8. To some people the 302 may be worth the same as a Shelby MSRP here will likely be close to $50K (guessing)

Only time will tell
You're in the TO (Toronto to my US friends) area so dealers ask way more. ADM's here when the GT500 came out in 2007 was about 20k. But you can get them for X plan pricing now. They might try to get the same with the Boss but like I said- you're now into fully loaded GT500 money now. I think the Boss will be an awesome handling and performing car but the GT500 is no slouch, especially since it's weight loss. I test drove a couple of 2011 GT500's and they were great performers.

The 5.0 GT is an awesome car as well and I'd buy one of them before I would pay 50k ADM for the Boss.

I think you're best defense against an ADM is having a good relationship with your dealer. I'm lucky to have a good relationship with 2 dealers and I'm #1 on both of their Boss lists. I took the precaution of being #1 on the different dealers lists just in case the ADM's rear their ugly heads. Better safe than sorry was my thinking.
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Old Sep 13, 2010 | 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by mjbarnet
Anyone know (remember?) off hand how many 2003-04 Mach 1s were produced?
There were 9652 for model year 2003 and 7182 for 2004. There were rebates on later 2003 and 2004 Mach 1s worth thousands of dollars.

Looking at past history, if 8000 is the designated number, that seems to be about what the market would bear -
'01 Bullitt: 5582
'03 Mach 1: 9652
'04 Mach 1: 7182
'07 GT/CS: 8513
'08 GT/CS: 7427
'09 GT/CS: 2643
'08'09 Bullitt: < 7700

I think there will be enough IN TOTAL to purchase. The allocation scheme is the tricky part.
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Old Sep 13, 2010 | 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Whammer
Well this will make the '70 stripe lovers happy. Personally I think the reverse C stripe fits perfectly with the side line's on the new mustang.
Now if Ford would only start releasing some more facts about options, pricing, mystery key, etc.!!!
Where are you deriving this information from? Where does it state in 2013 the stripes will change?
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Old Sep 13, 2010 | 09:14 PM
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Not the numbers I've heard, but they were subject to change too. I'll wait until an official press release details the model breakdown.
+1 Thank You. I would hate for Ford to make over double than originally stated like they did with the Mach 1.
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Old Sep 13, 2010 | 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Whammer
The numbers are pretty close to what I said they would be (what the Bullitt numbers were) and they learned from marketing the Bullitt. Originally the Bullitt was a 1 year run of 7700. They didn't sell them all in 08 and the production carried over into 09.
So with the Boss they have split the production over 2 years and thus also mimicked '69 and '70 Boss production.

They won't continue to make it after it's 2 year run, if they did the car would lose it's uniqueness. But don't worry, Ford will come out with another mustang edition that will have people beating down the dealer's doors to get at it.
The Boss and Bullitt are two completely different animals. The Boss will have much higher demand than the Bullitt as it is the 1st model since 1971. The Bullitt was done in 2001 with over 5,500 models produced. I don't think Ford is in business by making cars for their uniqueness. They are in business to make money, Period! They also stated a 2 year run on the GT500. We know how that turned out going on 6 years that we know of for sure. The uniqueness of the 8,000 total Mach 1's was increased to over 17,000 to meet consumer demand. I easily see this car going to 2014. Ford is not going to redo the body after only 4 years. No way! Just like how the 2009 restyle never happened.
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Old Sep 13, 2010 | 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 94gt
The Boss and Bullitt are two completely different animals. The Boss will have much higher demand than the Bullitt as it is the 1st model since 1971. The Bullitt was done in 2001 with over 5,500 models produced. I don't think Ford is in business by making cars for their uniqueness. They are in business to make money, Period! They also stated a 2 year run on the GT500. We know how that turned out going on 6 years that we know of for sure. The uniqueness of the 8,000 total Mach 1's was increased to over 17,000 to meet consumer demand. I easily see this car going to 2014. Ford is not going to redo the body after only 4 years. No way! Just like how the 2009 restyle never happened.
Well we'll see but I'm 100% sure you are wrong.
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Old Sep 13, 2010 | 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 94gt
Where are you deriving this information from? Where does it state in 2013 the stripes will change?
Why don't you read the first post in this thread.
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Old Sep 13, 2010 | 09:47 PM
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Supposedly at the time the Mach 1 was first announced, many of us early watchers heard there were 9000 dealer orders submitted for it. Looking back, it is quite possible there were, but it was perhaps overstated because people were going to multiple dealers and trying to "get on a list" because of the initial reports of "6500 only, 1 year run". That changed a few months into production. If Ford was influenced by dealer demand, I assume they also would be setting numbers to turn a profit as well. Since their sales numbers are booked when they sell a car to a dealer, what happens next as far is selling price will be driven more by consumer demand.

Hearing words like "limited", "exclusive", "low numbers" creates a hunger on the consumer's part. Mix that with an allocation scheme that attempts to get more cars to where they seem to sell better, and you get what we have today.

I'd love to pick the brains of the marketing people that work on this stuff.
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Old Sep 13, 2010 | 11:15 PM
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Brains? What brains? If zombies appeared at the Boss allocation planning session, they would "die" of starvation. Still think this has got to be one of the most wack ideas .
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Old Sep 14, 2010 | 06:51 AM
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Well that 6,500 turned into over 17,000 Mach 1's. The GT500 is going 4 years past it's expiration date. Forgive me for being skeptical, but I will wait for the official press release and Ford can change numbers at any time.
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Old Sep 14, 2010 | 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Topnotch
2012: 3,500+500 Laguna Sega (with 69 Theme)
2013: 3,500+500 R-Models (maybe another Race Track?) (70 Theme)

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Topnotch where is your source stating the stripes will change in 2013?
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Old Sep 14, 2010 | 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Tony Alonso
There were 9652 for model year 2003 and 7182 for 2004. There were rebates on later 2003 and 2004 Mach 1s worth thousands of dollars.

Looking at past history, if 8000 is the designated number, that seems to be about what the market would bear -
'01 Bullitt: 5582
'03 Mach 1: 9652
'04 Mach 1: 7182
'07 GT/CS: 8513
'08 GT/CS: 7427
'09 GT/CS: 2643
'08'09 Bullitt: < 7700

I think there will be enough IN TOTAL to purchase. The allocation scheme is the tricky part.
Here's a couple more for the "special edition" list....

'99 35th Anniversary GT: 4628
'00 Spring Feature GT: 3901

Ford has really had "fun" trying to predict demand for their special editions. Sometimes they don't even come close to selling out, and sometimes they have runaway successes. Either way, Ford just adjusts production up or down to try their best to match demand.

8,000 Boss 302's in two years will likely be enough to satisfy the real demand. If they end up selling in the high $30K's to low $40K's (or more, depending on ADM's), there will only be so many people who can actually afford one that want one.
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Old Sep 14, 2010 | 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Five Oh Brian
Here's a couple more for the "special edition" list....

'99 35th Anniversary GT: 4628
'00 Spring Feature GT: 3901
Thanks for the info!



Originally Posted by Five Oh Brian
8,000 Boss 302's in two years will likely be enough to satisfy the real demand. If they end up selling in the high $30K's to low $40K's (or more, depending on ADM's), there will only be so many people who can actually afford one that want one.
I agree. In this economy and based on the cache of "Boss", I believe only the most hard-core of Mustang enthusiasts will bite. The larger population, which I think might include more conquest sales, probably knows very little about a Boss Mustang.
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Old Sep 14, 2010 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Tony Alonso
I agree. In this economy and based on the cache of "Boss", I believe only the most hard-core of Mustang enthusiasts will bite. The larger population, which I think might include more conquest sales, probably knows very little about a Boss Mustang.
Tony, I agree. Sometimes our views gets a little warped because of our interest in mustangs. The average person has no idea what a Boss mustang is and they are very unlikely to run out and order one. To them cost will be the main factor in what they buy. A loaded GT will probably appeal more to them then the Boss will. Hell a loaded V6 will be even cheaper than a GT and offers a hell of a lot of performance for the cost!

I think everyone who wants a Boss will be able to get one. The main thing is to get to your dealer and let your interest be known. Some people might think this interest ear marks you as "prey" for the dealer but do you really have any other options? I suppose you can just wait and see what happens and hope to find one on a dealer's lot and then play dumb and disinterested and hope the dealer is desperate to unloaded it, but I don't think that seems like a very sound strategy.
I'd rather spend my time looking for a dealer (now) who's willing to sell at MSRP and letting him know you're ready to buy as soon as the order banks open.
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Old Sep 14, 2010 | 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Five Oh Brian
Here's a couple more for the "special edition" list....

'99 35th Anniversary GT: 4627
'00 Spring Feature GT: 3901
Fixed, our 35th Crystal White was lost in Hurricane Katrina
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Old Sep 14, 2010 | 10:27 AM
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http://jalopnik.com/5637504/2012-mus...production-run

I think Ford enjoys just "leaking" out info and helping to create more buzz.
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Old Sep 14, 2010 | 10:35 AM
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Is there a listing somewhere that shows the volume of Mustangs sold in 2009-2010, by dealer?

I need to figure out which dealers to start prodding for info/a spot in line :-/
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