when will we learn the curb weight?
12/8/13, 11:43 AM
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when will we learn the curb weight?
Speculation is flying on this one... many now postulating that the pony might have even gained some mass!
All along we heard that the S550 would be a smaller car...but as it turns out, the new car is a tiny bit shorter, a bit lower in profile... but same wheel base, wider and with a typically much heavier rear suspension configuration and supposedly not as much aluminum as originally expected.
So what's your guess? When will we learn the facts?
All along we heard that the S550 would be a smaller car...but as it turns out, the new car is a tiny bit shorter, a bit lower in profile... but same wheel base, wider and with a typically much heavier rear suspension configuration and supposedly not as much aluminum as originally expected.
So what's your guess? When will we learn the facts?
Last edited by MRGTX; 12/8/13 at 11:44 AM.
12/8/13, 12:04 PM
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Speculation is flying on this one... many now postulating that the pony might have even gained some mass!
All along we heard that the S550 would be a smaller car...but as it turns out, the new car is a tiny bit shorter, a bit lower in profile... but same wheel base, wider and with a typically much heavier rear suspension configuration and supposedly not as much aluminum as originally expected.
So what's your guess? When will we learn the facts?
All along we heard that the S550 would be a smaller car...but as it turns out, the new car is a tiny bit shorter, a bit lower in profile... but same wheel base, wider and with a typically much heavier rear suspension configuration and supposedly not as much aluminum as originally expected.
So what's your guess? When will we learn the facts?
12/8/13, 12:10 PM
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I have a stupid question that goes with this. On my '03 I swapped out the k member which saved just under 40 lbs. With the IRS isn't it the same mod for front and rear? So couldn't you save close to 100 lbs just by going with dual chromoly k-members?
I'm hoping the weight is actually down from the 14's so this could be an additional 80lbs to come off and not just an attempt to regain lost ground.
I'm hoping the weight is actually down from the 14's so this could be an additional 80lbs to come off and not just an attempt to regain lost ground.
12/8/13, 12:25 PM
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Wasnt the most recent claim about 200 lb weight loss compared with 2014's? I haven't heard if that is the 2.3 ecoboost model compared with a V8 or V6 however... have not heard any apples to apples claims at this point. I'd be quite impressed if they dropped 200 lbs from the V8 model (bring the base V8 model down to 3400 lbs instead of 3600).
12/8/13, 12:45 PM
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Wasnt the most recent claim about 200 lb weight loss compared with 2014's? I haven't heard if that is the 2.3 ecoboost model compared with a V8 or V6 however... have not heard any apples to apples claims at this point. I'd be quite impressed if they dropped 200 lbs from the V8 model (bring the base V8 model down to 3400 lbs instead of 3600).
12/8/13, 01:23 PM
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Speculation is flying on this one... many now postulating that the pony might have even gained some mass! All along we heard that the S550 would be a smaller car...but as it turns out, the new car is a tiny bit shorter, a bit lower in profile... but same wheel base, wider and with a typically much heavier rear suspension configuration and supposedly not as much aluminum as originally expected. So what's your guess? When will we learn the facts?
12/8/13, 08:02 PM
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I think its going to be about the same to a wee bit heavier in much the same way the C7 has put on some pounds.
The Corvette went to standard aluminum chassis over the regular steel unit (with aluminum reserved for the Z06 and ZR1 in the C6) and it put on weight.
People want their cake and eat it to (affordable and fully contented) but at the risk of using a bad pun there is no free lunch.
12/9/13, 01:01 PM
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Theres alumium fenders and that it when it comes to weight lose i doubt it lost any weight dont listen to the guys saying a 200 pound lose no way it would need all alumium body sides and trunk
12/9/13, 01:36 PM
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12/9/13, 02:56 PM
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Agreed, apples for apples, GT for GT, I'm guessing the 2015 is about the same as the 2014. Were it significantly lighter, Ford would be making a big deal about that.
12/11/13, 09:03 PM
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What I don't understand is why does the current Mustang weigh so much in the first place?
The car is within 100lbs of most 1970s era muscle cars. My 72 Olds 442 only weighed 3,700 lbs, and that was a giant mass of steel with a big block 455 under the hood. One would think that with as much plastic and aluminium as Ford uses as well as the smaller 5.0 engine, that there would be much more than just a 100lb difference between it and that old tank of a car.
The Mustang is not that much different in dimensions from an old 80s Camaro Z28 but those managed to weigh in at a mere 3,300 lbs.
I just do not understand why the Mustang is so heavy.
The car is within 100lbs of most 1970s era muscle cars. My 72 Olds 442 only weighed 3,700 lbs, and that was a giant mass of steel with a big block 455 under the hood. One would think that with as much plastic and aluminium as Ford uses as well as the smaller 5.0 engine, that there would be much more than just a 100lb difference between it and that old tank of a car.
The Mustang is not that much different in dimensions from an old 80s Camaro Z28 but those managed to weigh in at a mere 3,300 lbs.
I just do not understand why the Mustang is so heavy.
12/11/13, 10:17 PM
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What I don't understand is why does the current Mustang weigh so much in the first place?
The car is within 100lbs of most 1970s era muscle cars. My 72 Olds 442 only weighed 3,700 lbs, and that was a giant mass of steel with a big block 455 under the hood....I just do not understand why the Mustang is so heavy.
The car is within 100lbs of most 1970s era muscle cars. My 72 Olds 442 only weighed 3,700 lbs, and that was a giant mass of steel with a big block 455 under the hood....I just do not understand why the Mustang is so heavy.
12/12/13, 06:14 AM
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The closest thing to safety equipment that your Olds came with was a few lap belts. Compare that to (4?) airbags, side impact door beams, probably at least 6 stereo speakers and (?) amps, larger wheels and tires, bigger brakes, and about 3x as much wiring.... It all adds up to more total weight, but a much safer, better behaved and more refined car. The current Mustang is still about as quick (quicker) stock to stock, better handling, quicker stopping, and capable of MUCH better mileage while giving off almost no HC and CO emissions. You really can't compare modern muscle cars to the dinosaurs of the past, no matter how cool those seemed at the time; they're very different animals. Strip away all the modern safety and luxury items, and the Mustang would likely weigh 2-3 hundred # less than it does.
It's also necessary to look at the structural integrity of these machines. The S197 is VASTLY stiffer than that wonderful old Oldsmobile...the additional structure (still mostly steel) does come at the cost of weight.
Hey, my '73 Dodge Dart Sport is nearly identical in length and width to my Mustang, carries a cast iron small block V8...and that thing weighs in at 3100lbs stock.
12/12/13, 10:34 AM
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I am sure the Ford engineers had a goal in mind of reducing the weight of the Mustang to get better fuel mileage. As I recall, in recent years all engineers had to sign off on every part they designed as being no heavier than the previous part. I believe the rumors the GT will be 200 pounds lighter . Ford engineers knew the new Camaro will be lighter than the current Camaro and needed to make the Mustang lighter. I think the Ecoboost 4 cylinder Mustang will be about 300 pounds lighter than the current GT.