I just saw this on Carscoops:

Ford Sold Twice As Many 2015 Mustangs Than GM's 2015 Camaro in Nov.

They reported 8728 2015 Mustang sales in November compared to 4385 Camaro sales. The Challenger was third, I didn't bother to read the numbers.

Hopefully, this trend will continue as more cars hit the dealers. Our big dealer here on the West side of the state still doesn't have any. I had to drive 40 miles further West to find the one I bought, and they only had one EB and one non-premium GT.

 

Actually they sold more mustangs than GM and Dodge sold Camaro's and Challengers combined.

It helped that the 2014 mustang had it's 3rd best month of the year as well.

 

But GM sold more '15 Z28's than Ford did '15 Shelbies!

 

uh....ok.

 

What '15 Shelbies or maybe Shelby's Did I miss a release from Ford???

 

I think the OP was referring to the 2014 Shelby GT500 ? IIRC the 2016 Shelby GT350 won't be arriving until fall of 2015

 

Good news, but would you expect it any other way? Ford has a brand new car. GM does not.

 

Yes ! For at least right now it's great news.. From my understanding GM will be introducing their all new Camaro based off the Alpha platform next year as a 2016 model..

So it'll be very interesting to see which does better in the sales dept after the arrival of GM's all new bowtie

 

What I feel me interesting is when you drill down the numbers, the Ecoboost/V6 sales are practically neck and neck from what I have read. Ford may have to respond to this by offering more for the V6 since the "gospel according to Exoboost" isn't demolishing V6 sales. And I am sure that's not due to rental fleets as there aren't that many even out yet. Thoughts people? Could this spur Ford to make a V6 Premium? Or at least offer Sat radio or Shaker Sound or toggle switches ?

 

That's interesting because I had read Challengers sales were way up and surpassed the Camaro. That's not surprising with all the Hellcat hype and the new 392 Scat Pack R/Ts. I love Mustangs but the new Challenges are the fastest straight line cars in the market with the 6.2 supercharged or the NA 392. Makes the market interesting which is a good thing for everyone that likes Muscle Cars. Cool time to be driving.

I do see that the Challenger was in 3rd for November so maybe it was October that I read about... In either case, I don't understand why people buy the Camaro; the interior is crappy and you can't see out of those things. The Challenger at least looks good and has lots of room for more passengers. The Challenger doesn't corner as well but they sure are fast!!

 

The Ecoboost cannot be allowed to fail. You will not see upgrades to the V6 to make it more popular than it already is. If Ecoboost sales don't dominate V6 sales, I expect to see strong incentives on Ecoboost models. There may also be production constraints on the V6 to limit supply or additional content added to the Ecoboost to make it more appealing. If people still continue to choose the V6, it will probably be killed to remove any choice of option away from the Ecoboost (besides the 5.0L).

 

I don't think Ecoboost will fail, all I'm saying is that since the Eco and V6 models are so close without the 4 cylinder dominating sales, Ford like any other company should offer some upgrades to the V6 models to better serve their customers. For many it's not just about cost factor in the decision to go with the V6. There is a very loyal crowd out there that will just not buy a 4cylinder Mustang no matter how much horsepower. Plus that engine only runs at peak efficiency with Premium fuel whereas the V6 can get the performance and fuel economy on Regular and the cost of ownership in the long run is less. Also remember that the Turbo on the 4 is more costly and complex than the similar in performance and fuel economy V6 and it's really a no-brainer for Ford. I think it will be several years before only a 4cylinder will be offered as the base engine due to all these facts so in the meantime they can offer some more goodies to V6 buyers to continue the notion of more "bang for the buck" which has ALWAYS been Mustangs trademark.

 

Could not agree more with your points. I currently have an '11 vert 3.7 that runs well and was reasonably priced. I am seriously considering a '15 however I would go for a coupe prem with a few options. I cannot buy a 6 Prem so that is out ....L have O interest in a EB. That leaves the GT which offers all that I would like in a Mustang however it gets very pricey. I think it's sad that Ford is removing option possibilities in order to reduce interest in the 3.7.

 

Fords stupidity could be the aftermarkets gain. If I had a company I would not just sell the stuff for GT and Ecoboost I would specialize in the V6 and produce products that could help upgrade the cars where Ford chose not to exterior stuff is the same as the cars look the same, it would be in components , interior stuff, exhausts and engine upgrades where you would get specific.

 

I could not agree with you more. We have already had three V6 Mustang convertibles for my wife to drive and it's ideal for her needs. I would consider a V6 premium but I do not want an Ecoboost.

Selling Ecoboosts is the agenda. Satisfying V6 customers works against that agenda. I have no expectation that they will make the V6 more attractive to customers because that would cut into Ecoboost sales.

 

why exactly don't you want the ecoboost?

 

What I find interesting is the fact that a full two thirds of the cars ordered are V8 cars. I wonder if Ford saw that coming, or did they bank on the wee vee 6 or the even smaller 4 popper to dominate? When it came time to order the wife's car, we drove the V8 and couldn't see reason to bother with the others. I mean, you have to consider resale somewhere down the line. I don't care how much horsepower they make, 10 years from now, the little engined cars will be considered econo boxes. Look at the '79 pace car- people still chuckle at it. While a loaded up GT premium will always command a good price- if it hasn't been destroyed by then. Just my .02

 

Let me count the reasons:

1) I have the 3.7L in my F-150. It's a great little engine in that application and I think it would be great in a 3,600 lb car instead of a 4,800 lb truck. My experience with the engine has caused me to like it.

2) My car will remain stock. In it's stock form, the Ecoboost offers no performance advantage over the V6.

3) I don't believe there will be any fuel mileage advantage over the V6.

4) If I wanted the performance of the V8, I would buy the V8. It makes no sense to me to buy a 4 cyl for the sole purpose of modifying it to mimic the performance of something that already exists and has more potential from modification.

5) If I wanted to test the performance limits of a turbo 4, I'd buy it in a Focus or Fiesta instead of a heavier Mustang.

6) I've had enough problems with Ford quality and terrible dealership experiences that if I have an option, I will buy the simplest, most reliable option available. Ecoboost in other applications haven't proven that case.

7) In stock form, the Ecoboost craps out at just over 5,000 rpm. The 3.7L makes power right to 7,000 rpm. When I want to have a little fun driving, I would prefer the high rpm ability of the 3.7L rather than short-shifting the Ecoboost.

8) I'm keeping my Boss. This would be an extra Mustang in a convertible for general driving and summer cruising. The V6 will perform just fine in that application.

9) In short, I don't see any advantage to the Ecoboost and what I do see as an advantage lies in favor of the V6.

 

Those numbers seem low to me for a brand new model. I'm thinking back to the '99 and '05' releases, and sales seemed a lot higher then.

 

In 2005 at least if you wanted an affordable sporty RWD coupe had with a V8 Mustang was the only game in town. Now it has to share sales in a segment with two direct competitors.

In any event the real test will be next year as the new Camaro will debut and later on in 2018 if I've heard correctly Dodge will be introducing a new car as well.

Something to keep in mind with the Camaro, the ATS-V is sporting 450 or so horsepower and weighs in at 3600 pounds.

I'm not sure how much of the ATS-V weight savings will transfer to a car down market but the next gen Camaro might not be far off the mark and its fairly certain it will have at least the LT1 from the current Corvette.

As for Dodge I'm not sure what they have up their sleeve, it could be a lighter smaller car compared to the current car but they have shown a willingness to install the SRT8 hardware in a down market car which is nearly 500 horsepower. If Dodge can shed some size and weight while making use of its 485 horsepower 6.4 Hemi in say a car that matches the 2015 Mustang GT's weight and bring it in at a competitive price they could put a serious dent in Mustang sales as well.