A question for those in the know:

I have a 5.0 2012 automatic. What issues will I encounter with a 2013 5.0 automatic tune in my car?

 

A little back ground here is called for:

I installed a 2013 premium cluster (with the LCD screen in the middle with the digital guages and track apps) into my 2012 car. To get the cluster to be fully functional, I had to flash my PCM to that of a 2013 5.0 automatic. Now the cluster is 100% functional and cruise and track apps function properly.

But what issues will I have using 2013 engine calibrations in my 2012? Will I need to load a 2012 tune, and how do I do that?

 

I could be wrong, but I don't think tunes are based on model year of the car, they are built based on an alphanumeric code that is printed on a label on your PCM, or by providing a tuner a copy of your stock tune. I provided the code value to BAMA before they built my tunes, but this was when I ordered my inTune. Any updates they have provided to me since then, they only neede a copy of my stock tune.

 

% Pedal for Optimal Power Mode
Adaptive Gain
Adder Max Allowed Spark Cold for TP/cattemp
Base Fuel Table Cold Enrichment BP Decay Lost Time
Desired Idle Spark Drive AC Offgoing
FF Duty Cycle for Bank1 Exhaust Cam
FF Duty Cycle for Bank1 Intake Cam
Fuel Rail Pressure
Fuel Rail Pressure Low Speed
Idle Air Adder for A/C Based On Head Pressure
Injector Flow Rate Offset for Temp
Maximum Allowed Spark Table Cold Starts Drive

Are some of the biggest differences.

 

There are differences between the 11/12 5.0 and the 13/14 5.0. Oil squirters being one difference.

I am concerned with running a calibration for a 13 on a 12.

 

^ This correct. Swapping out the PCM could make this tricky. However, I don't think it should be a problem for our Bama team. Give them a call and they'll help you and make sure you're taken care of!

Our Bama Performance tuning specialists are here in the building Monday-Friday from 9AM-5:30PM EST and Saturday 9AM-5:30PM EST. You can hit them up directly at 888.226.9764 and they'll get you squared away!

-Dan

 

"This is not an attack" lol

I got Jim covered, some of the lower level changes SCT does not have access to. But IIII dooooo

With that said though, if you know what your doing and have Calibrator access, things could be worked around. But your typical tuner will not know what those changes are.

EDIT: Once I have a tune good and tested with Jim010 and dhmines. I will post a value file and raw hex image for everyone to have and for retailers to offer. Also will be releasing the source code and schematics for the black box this week. (For those who use 2010 cars and wanna build your own)

-Matt

 

FYI ... I noticed Ford Racing sells Crate Coyote's .. so I gave the techline a call ...

First I asked is this the current production Mustang engine .. He said yes would be same as a 2014 Mustang.

I told him a needed a replacement engine for a 2012 Mustang GT ... I asked if I can just install this engine in my car with a 2012 PCM or would a new PCM be required. He said there have been no fundamental changes to the engine since introduction .. I of course mentioned the oil squirters but he repeated no fundamental changes. I asked if the TI-VCT timing was different and he said no changes .. this would be a replacement engine for any year Mustang GT.

I would also assume that if you blow your engine and Ford replaces it .. they replace your engine with this crate engine .. and reuse as many parts as possible including the PCM no matter what year GT you have.

http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...KeyField=11829

SO if a 2012 PCM can run a 2013/2014 engine .. shouldnt a 2013 PCM be able to run a 2011/2012 engine without issue?

 

A crate engine will drop in no worries. But a crate engine only comes with an engine.

That's not the issue, the issue is all the other modules/sensors that play a part, they communicate to the PCM differently between the 12 and 13.

On the other hand, this dude is not knowledgeable. Its common knowledge that the 13/14 has different pistons and no oil squirters.

-Matt

 

We are looking for somebody to datalog a stock 2013 Mustang GT for us. Need to check LT and ST fuel trims .... Thanks!

 

This I'll agree with, an engine builder is simply that.... an engine builder, not a tuner. Or he was simply an FRPP rep that really didn't know what was going on.

 

Agree. To add, I haven't been impressed with ford racing lately. I called in earlier this week with some questions on their product, not only were they rude, but they weren't really knowledgeable. I asked a tech question he couldn't answer, and promised to get back to me the next day. This was Monday this week and it's Saturday now and still no word. Lol hilarious.

 

Jim, I would contact like Shawn at AED and talk to him. It is my understanding that in the automatics there were some changes to the calibration for the 13/14 cars for the transmission.