I am not ******* the engine that at this point is so close the Ford GT superengine it is not even funny. The Ford GT did have a tremendous advantage though. The 19x11.5 rims with the 315/40ZR 19 tires on the rear. We all know the biggest problem with the GT500 is the tires not getting traction until 3rd gear due to the power. I start to wonder because as the Raptor is dropping the 5.4 for the new 6.2 I believe the GT500 is the only new car still using the 330 cube engine. It is also starting to look a bit dated with the new 3.7 and 5.0 engines with 7,000 rpm redlines and 10.5-11:1 compression. I know the rumours that Ford is working on an ecoboost 5.0 for the 2014-5 GT500. Is the twin turbo 5.0 that much of a myth, especially when the Z28 camaro rolls around next year?

 

My guess is that you're going to see a much smaller car for the 2014 model year that uses a blown 5.0l and similar or slightly lower power levels than the current GT500 but outperforms it in handling and acceleration due to weight savings and chassis architecture. Remember the articles posted not long ago about the return of a Fox body size Mustang for 2014. Although I dont think they'd go "quite" that small, Ill bet its significantly smaller than todays car with the wheels pushed out to the corners and the IRS that everyones been whining about (not me) for handling. If you look at the timing chain cover on the new 5.0L it has bosses that arent being used currently that are in locations that would work for a supercharger tensioner system.

 

it may be nice but i wouldnt want to see the GT500 with a blown 5.0. its just the feeling like 'wow ok so the only difference from a GT is the addition of a S/C?' i just like seeing the SVT variant and GT with different engines.

 

i suspect that even if the car is lighter hp will go up or stay flat even if they use a SC or TT 5.0. that engine will come with a new car warranty and require no effort other than signing a purchase and sale. most buyers wont mind it being an upgrade of the GT engine

 

Supercharged engines always have lower redlines and lower compression. I guess the Porsche 911 Turbo is "dated"?

 

Remember that if this changeover happens, the boosted car would have a completely different rotating assembly and probably cams which is hardly just slapping a supercharger on. A boosted 5.0 would also knock 100lbs off the front end vs the 5.4

 

Doubt it. Maybe compared to the 07-10 engine, not the 11'. If you compare the weights of the two cars, the GT500 is now 200 lbs heavier than a BASE, no option 5.0.

GT500 has:

blower, intercooler, heat exchanger and pump, fluids, heavier trans, brembos, heavier seats, etc. There is your 200 lbs. The engine itself sans blower system most likely weighs close to the same.

 

Im telling you...mark my words....you're going to see a variant of the "cammer" engine with a blower on the next GT500 or whatever they call it in 2014. They make over 600 hp with this car and the 5.0 cammer motor. Make it a little more civilized for production purposes and boom...there's your motor. Matech has been racing the 5.0L cammer engine in their Ford GT in GT3 and now GT1 since 2007 with HUGE HP. Watch the vid below. Its been proven that Ford has been developing powertrains out of Europe for quite some time. Oh, and check out the blonde hottie blowing me the kiss at 3:07 Great vids!!

http://www.matech-competition.ch/momentum/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vztKJ...layer_embedded TURN THIS ONE WAY UP!!!

 

I agree, I think that 5.4 litre slug of a motor is on its way out. It had a good run but its just not necessary anymore.

 

I doubt Ford would have spent the resources to upgrade the 5.4L for 2011 if they did not intend to keep it for a few more years. However, I would also expect to see the next gen GT500 get a supercharged version of the Coyote (not the Cammer). It already has TiVCT and the ability to go to direct injection in the future, two features they did not incorporate into the 2011 aluminum 5.4L. Shelby is already using what appears to be a low boost version of the Coyote engine in the GT350 and there have been rumors of the Aussie Falcon being tested with a factory version that I would have to believe already has upgraded internals, something Shelby is probably not equipped to do. Anyway, the other interesting possibilty is that if Ford decided to use the PTWA spray bore technology on the Coyote whose to say they could not increase the bore size for another bump in displacement? I am sure the current cylinder liner in the Coyote is a lot thicker than 150 microns.

 

The 5.0 article says they pretty much already have 'poor man's' direct injection with open valve injection and a straight shot.

That hump in the upper edge of the intake port is where the fuel injector lays. It has a straight shot into the cylinder whenever the intake valves are open, and Ford takes advantage of this with "open-valve injection." It's a poor man's direct fuel injection at no additional cost.




As for gaining displacement, I don't think there's that much to gain even with the PTWA as they have already bored pretty much to the max. Why bother if all they ended up with was a 5.1 or 5.2L...

Coyote engineers took the cylinder liners as thin as they dared to gain maximum possible bore diameter. All bore honing must involve deck plates, they say. However, a thick 13mm block deck and rigid structure mean high cylinder pressures are no problem.

 

Have you considered the possibility that they "bored pretty much to the max" of the liner and not the cylinder block? There are also other stated advantages of the PTWA process over conventional liners such as lower frictional loses, lighter weight and improved wear characteristics. If it was not an advantage they could have just not "bothered" to use it on the 2011 GT500 and just used conventional liners instead.

 

Yes I understood they were referring to the liner. However they also said the block needed the extra rigidity for the higher compression.

I just don't think they can bore it out from a 5.0 all the way to a 5.4L.

And even with the new PWTA the GT500 stayed at 5.4L, right? They didn't gain anything.

 

I'll take that bet.

5L variant maybe (depending on how long they want to prolong the 5.4...)
Cammer, no friggin way.

As for the 5.4, it'll stick around for a little while longer, and there could be any number of ways to make a 5L scream.
Whether its S/C, T/C or TT... they all make good power.

 

sorry..i was stating the "cammer" but what i was referring to was the actual 5.0l displacement capabilities of the cammer motor and being able to get over 600 hp out of 5 liters. I believe also that they'll be using a variant of the coyote 5.0L motor.

 

Seems like they are reaching for extra HP v wt with the new 5.4. Maybe that will be the effort going forward vs putting a 6.2 in?
As for the 5.0, seems like they made the block sturdy enough so with a change of internals you can see some serious bump.

 

Cammer has nothing to do with the new 5L family.
And remember, the cammer isn't exactly an everyday emissions friendly engine.
It'd have to survive the various torture tests and still be able to pass emissions etc.

The new engine family has enough up its sleeve, and while I agree eventually we'll see it replacing the 5.4, when is another question.

 

The likleyhood of seeing the 6.2 in a Mustang is slim to none.
The 6.2 has its purpose and as does the 5L, and I'm glad they went the way they did.

Acutally its more likely for us to see smaller 8s than even the 5L in the future, not larger ones.

 

Such as a tweak in the design of the 4.6 3V with PTWA + beefier block like the 5.0 design + stronger internals + higher comp + direct inj +forced induction of some sort?
Or is TiVCT DOHC 4V so much better that the 3V SOHC is in the history books?
How small of V8's, into the 3's?

 

I wouldn't go that low,
and I wouldn't worry, the 5L will be around for a while.