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International man of mystery Chris Harris recently abandoned his duties in the UK for a trip to the States. Why? Because of two very important pieces of machinery: the 2013 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 and the 2013 Ford Shelby GT500. Harris took charge of both cars in Manhattan to evaluate their on-road manners before heading to the track for a little showdown. What did he find? On the street, the Camaro is actually easier to live with than its Ford rival thanks to a more comfortable seating position, friendly clutch and easy torque curve.

And on the track? The ZL1 took top honors there, as well, beating the GT500 around Monticello by a full two seconds even though it has less power. Despite all this, Harris says if he had to choose one to be his very own, it would be a set of Ford keys in his pocket. The hoon of hoons says that in this world, bad is good, and the Mustang is properly scary, where the Camaro is simply too drivable.

 

Just pisses me off that Ford can't hit a home run. The Boss has superior handling but lacks some horses. The Shelby has more than enough power and handles like a tugboat. With all the extra charges that are tacked onto the Shelby's price, why can't they make it handle? The 5.8L is here, how about a Boss351? Ford

 

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Originally Posted by SoCalBoss302

And on the track? The ZL1 took top honors there, as well, beating the GT500 around Monticello by a full two seconds even though it has less power. Despite all this, Harris says if he had to choose one to be his very own, it would be a set of Ford keys in his pocket. The hoon of hoons says that in this world, bad is good, and the Mustang is properly scary, where the Camaro is simply too drivable.

Okay... if he says so....

 

I move to bring Coletti back to SVT.. Agree?

 

I don't think that's a fair comment. I think the GT500 handles amazingly well. Every year they have made the GT500 handle better than the last. I wonder what the handling would be like if they kept the same HP and engine as the '12? I wonder how much quicker a '12, with the '13 handling, would be compared to a stock '12?

 

When the Boss can take another mustang with over 100hp more than it, I would say that it has ever handled well. It rides really well but handles like it weighs another 1000lbs. I'm not expecting the 13 to handle much better than the 12. The GT500 is what it has always been. Big hp spin machine made for showing off. Can make an excellent drag racer though.

 

Blown Boss - factory or otherwise/end thread.

 

I like. I like it a lot.

 

I don't know. According to Randy Pobst, the GT500 was the better-sorted, better-balanced car, when compared to the ZL1 and its "magic" shocks and IRS.

With "a brake upgrade," Pobst states that the GT500 would be the better track car and "probably" a better car on the street, "because the [GT500] is better balanced [than the ZL1]. The Camaro has more understeer through the middle of a corner, and the Mustang really puts the power down. They've got the suspension geometry right in that live axle."

Most of the head-to-head comparisons have the Shelby putting down better track times, too. In this case, I don't think the slower times had anything to do with the GT500 and its inability to handle; rather, I think the driver needed more time behind the wheel to wring out the most from Ford's monster.

 

All I know is that there is always an ear to ear grin on whoever is driving the GT500 and that grin is never quite as noticeable when they are driving the ZL1. I'm sure some folks track these cars but I doubt no where near what Probst and other pro divers can do....so at the end of the day it's really all about how much fun does the car give you.
I think the GT500 is King of the Hill for fun.

 

Both are great cars....but who cares what a fancy pants Brit thinks of American muscle cars? You can't even buy these in Europe anyways....

 

All of these reviews are adding up to one thing: the Shelby is the harder car to drive. Which is fine with me, because you give any of those drivers extended time in the Shelby and they're turning much better laps in it. It's that simple. Even fresh off the assembly line, the Shelby is still running laps as fast or faster. I'll take the Shelby (I would have anyway, but the numbers and reviews are confirming my initial beliefs).

 

Wow, don't let Marz see this (maybe he has already, I haven't read all the posts) as he'll surely discredit Chris Harris and post how he is wrong and how Van said otherwise, and it's his view that matters. LOL

Pretty much what I'd expect given their suspension set ups. But just like Harris, I'd buy the GT500 over the ZL1 too.

 

^^^^
LOL, I knew it.

Dude, Marz, you seem like a good enough dude, but give credit where credit is due man. You seem like a blinded fanboy discrediting anything anybody says negative about the GT500, but agreeing with anything, anybody says in FAVOR of the GT500.
They are both great cars and have their pluses and minuses.
There is NO denying the GT500 is faster, but how can anybody deny that the suspension set up of the ZL1 outshines the GT500's antiquated one?

 

Do you or have you watched the original Top Gear?

 

Maybe you'll answer in this thread. When and where have I ever stated that the GT500's suspension is superior to the ZL1's?

 

Original Post:

"International man of mystery Chris Harris recently abandoned his duties in the UK for a trip to the States. Why? Because of two very important pieces of machinery: the 2013 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 and the 2013 Ford Shelby GT500. Harris took charge of both cars in Manhattan to evaluate their on-road manners before heading to the track for a little showdown. What did he find? On the street, the Camaro is actually easier to live with than its Ford rival thanks to a more comfortable seating position, friendly clutch and easy torque curve.

And on the track? The ZL1 took top honors there, as well, beating the GT500 around Monticello by a full two seconds even though it has less power."


Your response:

I don't know. According to Randy Pobst, the GT500 was the better-sorted, better-balanced car, when compared to the ZL1 and its "magic" shocks and IRS.

need I say more?

 

Yes. Show me exactly where I stated the GT500's suspension is superior to the ZL1's. All you showed me is where I quoted Pobst's comments. What, you can give the ZL1 props, but I can't the GT500 for the fact that, despite its SRA, it can still "hang?"

No, nowhere will you find a post by me stating that an SRA is superior to an IRS because that isn't my belief.

 

Thanks for the nice PM Marz.
it's all good man, water under the bridge bro.

 

Awwww. That's sweet.