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2011 Non-SVTPP road tests?

Old Oct 10, 2010 | 07:18 AM
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2011 Non-SVTPP road tests?

I don't recall seeing any 2011 non-SVTPP road tests. Given the softer springs (which may transfer weight better) and increased horsepower over 2010, I'm wondering how the 0-60 and 1/4 miles times compare to the SVTPP w/3.73 ratio?
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Old Oct 11, 2010 | 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by carmanIII
I don't recall seeing any 2011 non-SVTPP road tests. Given the softer springs (which may transfer weight better) and increased horsepower over 2010, I'm wondering how the 0-60 and 1/4 miles times compare to the SVTPP w/3.73 ratio?
I've read a few and I don't think the 1/4 times are really affected much. But all the reviews say the SVTPP is MORE than worth the money and that the car just handles and performs so much better on the track.
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Old Oct 11, 2010 | 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Whammer
I've read a few and I don't think the 1/4 times are really affected much. But all the reviews say the SVTPP is MORE than worth the money and that the car just handles and performs so much better on the track.
Where did you read a few articles regarding an '11 non PP car? Reason I ask is because all the press cars had the PP and would like to know where they got the cars.
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Old Oct 11, 2010 | 05:52 PM
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I look at the SVT PP as a bit pricey to me.

I think you are paying the VAST percentage of that $3,500 for the wheels and tires.

As for performance (acceleration) it should be about exactly the same.
Ford has stated that the only reason the SVT PP uses the 3.73 gear ratio is to offset the increased size of the 20" wheels/tires over the 19" ones.
Meaning, the SVT PP with the taller 20" wheels and tires would be slower if they kept the same 3.55 gear ratio.
So, in order to make it equally as fast, they needed the 3.73's

Further, most mag testers have said they feel that the majority of the improved handling of the SVT PP comes from the super sticky tires and slightly stiffer and lower suspension.

Well, lower the Non SVT PP on springs to lower the center of gravity and stiffen things up a bit won't cost much. And quite frankly I'd throw a set of Conti DW tires on the non-SVT PP car and probably have very close to as sticky a set of tires.

My take you are paying $2,000-2,500 of the $3,500 on the wheels/tires.
Sell the non SVT PP wheels/tires for $2,000 and get a set of lightweight 19" wheels and Conti DW tires. That should cost you $2,500-3000, so you'll only be out $500-1000
Then add performance springs to lower the car 1" for about $600 installed and you're
at $1,100-1,600 out of pocket.

Half or less the price of the SVT PP

To me the SVT PP isn't as much of an upgrade for the GT500 as the Brembo Brake Package is for the Mustang GT.
With the GT you not only get the GT500 Brembo brakes, but get better wheels and tires, slightly stiffer suspension, improved ECU tuning, faster steering ratio, strut tower brace, and the rumored few other extras and all those things cost just $1,695
But with the GT500 you pay over twice that for wheels/tires and a slight suspension drop (no improved brakes, no improved ECU tuning, no faster steering, etc.)

Save the $3,500 and get the wheels/tires aftermarket and the springs (or shocks) you want for less money. I'd have to look into more but the SVT PP springs may not even be any more performance oriented, they just may be a bit lower for a lower center of gravity (which of course helps handling).

So don't worry about acceleration, the non SVT PP car is just as fast.
It's also telling that Ford feels with the power of the GT500 that the 3.55 ratio is ideal for the car, and even gives the SVT PP car with taller tires a lower ratio to match the 3.55 in the non SVT PP car. Maybe it speaks as to which ratio 5.0 owners should get if they plan on modding for more power too.
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Old Oct 11, 2010 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Driver72
I look at the SVT PP as a bit pricey to me.

I think you are paying the VAST percentage of that $3,500 for the wheels and tires.

As for performance (acceleration) it should be about exactly the same.
Ford has stated that the only reason the SVT PP uses the 3.73 gear ratio is to offset the increased size of the 20" wheels/tires over the 19" ones.
Meaning, the SVT PP with the taller 20" wheels and tires would be slower if they kept the same 3.55 gear ratio.
So, in order to make it equally as fast, they needed the 3.73's

Further, most mag testers have said they feel that the majority of the improved handling of the SVT PP comes from the super sticky tires and slightly stiffer and lower suspension.

Well, lower the Non SVT PP on springs to lower the center of gravity and stiffen things up a bit won't cost much. And quite frankly I'd throw a set of Conti DW tires on the non-SVT PP car and probably have very close to as sticky a set of tires.

My take you are paying $2,000-2,500 of the $3,500 on the wheels/tires.
Sell the non SVT PP wheels/tires for $2,000 and get a set of lightweight 19" wheels and Conti DW tires. That should cost you $2,500-3000, so you'll only be out $500-1000
Then add performance springs to lower the car 1" for about $600 installed and you're
at $1,100-1,600 out of pocket.

Half or less the price of the SVT PP

To me the SVT PP isn't as much of an upgrade for the GT500 as the Brembo Brake Package is for the Mustang GT.
With the GT you not only get the GT500 Brembo brakes, but get better wheels and tires, slightly stiffer suspension, improved ECU tuning, faster steering ratio, strut tower brace, and the rumored few other extras and all those things cost just $1,695
But with the GT500 you pay over twice that for wheels/tires and a slight suspension drop (no improved brakes, no improved ECU tuning, no faster steering, etc.)

Save the $3,500 and get the wheels/tires aftermarket and the springs (or shocks) you want for less money. I'd have to look into more but the SVT PP springs may not even be any more performance oriented, they just may be a bit lower for a lower center of gravity (which of course helps handling).

So don't worry about acceleration, the non SVT PP car is just as fast.
It's also telling that Ford feels with the power of the GT500 that the 3.55 ratio is ideal for the car, and even gives the SVT PP car with taller tires a lower ratio to match the 3.55 in the non SVT PP car. Maybe it speaks as to which ratio 5.0 owners should get if they plan on modding for more power too.

In Canada the PP is only a 2k option, of course we get raped on the higher MSRP on the car but at least we catch a break on the PP.
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Old Oct 11, 2010 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by LagunaBeach
Where did you read a few articles regarding an '11 non PP car? Reason I ask is because all the press cars had the PP and would like to know where they got the cars.
http://jalopnik.com/5548812/2011-shelby-gt500-first-drive
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Old Oct 11, 2010 | 06:59 PM
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That car in the C&D article is a PP car, sans stripes.
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Old Oct 11, 2010 | 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by LagunaBeach
That car in the C&D article is a PP car, sans stripes.
He makes reference to the differences between the two cars.
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Old Oct 11, 2010 | 07:49 PM
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Yeah, they compare the '10 to the '11 with the PP which is about .3-.4 quicker. The OP wanted to know if anybody had read any articles about an '11 without the PP and how it's numbers compare to a PP model. You then stated that you read a few articles on an '11 non PP car. I am curious also as to how it handles and acceleration times versus the PP version.
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Old Oct 11, 2010 | 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by LagunaBeach
Yeah, they compare the '10 to the '11 with the PP which is about .3-.4 quicker. The OP wanted to know if anybody had read any articles about an '11 without the PP and how it's numbers compare to a PP model. You then stated that you read a few articles on an '11 non PP car. I am curious also as to how it handles and acceleration times versus the PP version.
There is no doubt the advantage of the 2011 GT500 with SVT PP over the 2010 GT500, as not only do you get the better tires, lighter wheels, lower suspension of the SVT PP, but you also get 10 additional horsepower and a total weight loss of 130-140 lbs ( 102 from the engine and 28-38 from the lighter wheels of the SVT PP...not sure if the SVT PP tires weigh more however than the non SVT PP tires)

So when comparing a 2011 SVT PP with a 2010 there is no doubt there will be a clear advantage for the 2011 SVT PP.

However, the difference between a 2011 SVT PP and a 2011 non SVT PP would probably be a lot less of a difference.
Since the non SVT PP would still have the 102 less pounds and still have the additional 10 hp over the 2010 GT500.

There would still be an advantage due to the better tires and lower center of gravity, but on a track it won't be several seconds difference, but probably more like a second at most.
Again, nothing a $400 set of springs and a swap from the stock heavy 19" GT500 with F1 tires to a lighter 19" wheel with better and lighter Conti DW tire couldn't fix for half the price of the SVT PP
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Old Oct 11, 2010 | 09:24 PM
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PP wheels are lighter than the regular wheels on the '011. The car is also about 3 seconds a lap quicker around the track then the non PP car.
If you read the reviews you will find these sort of references between the two versions of the 2011. There are no exclusive reviews of the non PP equipped car that I have come across.
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Old Oct 11, 2010 | 09:28 PM
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From the review-

"So is it worth spending $18k more than the 2011 Ford Mustang GT just to get some on-paper performance improvements? Not really, but it is worth spending $21k more to get handling that now equals the 550 HP supercharged V8's massive straight line performance. The Performance Package-equipped 2011 Shelby GT500 is no longer merely a rip-roaringly fast Mustang — it's a well-balanced rip-roaringly fast Mustang."
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